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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 8260290, member: 110504&quot;]Fantastic writeup, coins, and related graphics, [USER=15481]@svessien[/USER].&nbsp; I&#039;m pretty sure the painting of Jean is contemporaneous --if I&#039;m not making that up, it&#039;s a pretty good demonstration of how 14th-c. &#039;International Gothic&#039; was already wandering within range of the early Renaissance. </p><p>[USER=74712]@FitzNigel[/USER], I think you nailed it about Edward III not being at Poitiers.&nbsp; As you know, he was at Crecy almost a decade before; quoted by Froissart as saying, at one point when the Black Prince was hemmed in a little by the French, and his lieutenants were suggesting a relief effort, &#039;Let him win his spurs.&#039;</p><p>One guy who was at both, serving as a kind of military advisor to the Black Prince at Poitiers, was William X de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick.&nbsp; He went on to participate in some of the more brutal chevauchees against the French, with the Black Prince&#039;s brother, John of Gaunt (/Ghent, where he was born).&nbsp; William went on to succumb to the Black Death in 1369; a little poetic justice.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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