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<p>[QUOTE="TheCavalier, post: 1516375, member: 39856"]Just to quickly introduce myself, I recently got back into coin collecting after about a 10 year absence due to school/training. I started out as a type collector, but have recently started focusing on half dollars (especially through 1915). I've been lurking here for a few months now, but never really had anything to contribute. </p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, I thought this might be an interesting discussion topic. Whenever I find a coin that I like (especially with MS coins), I look at the PCGS Coinfacts pictures and I look through the PCGS auction archives to get a sense of what other coins in that year look like and what they sold for. One thing I've seen repeatedly when looking at seated halves (probably my favorite series), is that the same coins come up over and over again, but they are in different holders. Obviously, the result of a crackout. Sometimes the coin looks identical and sometimes it's been dipped. Usually (thankfully?), the coin is still graded the same, but there are some upgrades. (I haven't really looked carefully for downgrades, but maybe they are also out there?) The first time I noticed this was with my 1869 half dollar, which is graded PCGS/CAC MS64. It's picture is on the Coinfacts site, but it has a different cert. number and is shown as an example of a MS63. (I actually paid closer to an MS63 price for the coin, so my discovery didn't really irk me or anything).</p><p><br /></p><p>Fast forward to today, when I was looking at Heritage's auction for next Tuesday. There is an 1876 PCGS MS65 (<a href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131235&lotNo=26741" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131235&lotNo=26741" rel="nofollow">http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131235&lotNo=26741</a>) that has the original look I like in seated halves, so I was looking through some auction archives and found that the exact coin had sold back in Heritage's April signature auction (<a href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1169%20&lotNo=4473&x=0&y=0#Photo" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1169%20&lotNo=4473&x=0&y=0#Photo" rel="nofollow">http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1169 &lotNo=4473&x=0&y=0#Photo</a>). Back then, the coin was graded NGC/CAC MS64 and sold for $1265 (w/ BP). The result of that one point upgrade (and switch in TPG?)? The current reserve with BP is over $3800, a potential $2500 appreciation in four months. Not too shabby!</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't have any really earth-shattering revelations, but I think this story does illustrate a few things that are repeated over and over on these boards by experienced posters:</p><p><br /></p><p>- As time goes on, the certified population numbers, especially for higher grades, are going to become more and more unreliable/meaningless. I've noticed this with seated halves (which are pretty easy to identify an individual coin), but I'm sure it's true for most series.</p><p><br /></p><p>- When looking for a coin it's often advisable to try to find the "sweet spot" in the grading spectrum (especially if you're a beginner). In other words, buy at a grade before a huge price jump. For a lot of series, this jump happens after MS63/64.</p><p><br /></p><p>- Buy the coin, not the slab. If you focus on eye-appealing, problem free coins, you'll be ahead of the pack (even if you don't plan on playing the crackout game).</p><p><br /></p><p>- Looking through auction archives is highly encouraged. In addition to being a more reliable price guide than "real" price guides, you get to see what other coins are out there for that date.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TheCavalier, post: 1516375, member: 39856"]Just to quickly introduce myself, I recently got back into coin collecting after about a 10 year absence due to school/training. I started out as a type collector, but have recently started focusing on half dollars (especially through 1915). I've been lurking here for a few months now, but never really had anything to contribute. Anyway, I thought this might be an interesting discussion topic. Whenever I find a coin that I like (especially with MS coins), I look at the PCGS Coinfacts pictures and I look through the PCGS auction archives to get a sense of what other coins in that year look like and what they sold for. One thing I've seen repeatedly when looking at seated halves (probably my favorite series), is that the same coins come up over and over again, but they are in different holders. Obviously, the result of a crackout. Sometimes the coin looks identical and sometimes it's been dipped. Usually (thankfully?), the coin is still graded the same, but there are some upgrades. (I haven't really looked carefully for downgrades, but maybe they are also out there?) The first time I noticed this was with my 1869 half dollar, which is graded PCGS/CAC MS64. It's picture is on the Coinfacts site, but it has a different cert. number and is shown as an example of a MS63. (I actually paid closer to an MS63 price for the coin, so my discovery didn't really irk me or anything). Fast forward to today, when I was looking at Heritage's auction for next Tuesday. There is an 1876 PCGS MS65 ([URL]http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131235&lotNo=26741[/URL]) that has the original look I like in seated halves, so I was looking through some auction archives and found that the exact coin had sold back in Heritage's April signature auction ([URL]http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1169%20&lotNo=4473&x=0&y=0#Photo[/URL]). Back then, the coin was graded NGC/CAC MS64 and sold for $1265 (w/ BP). The result of that one point upgrade (and switch in TPG?)? The current reserve with BP is over $3800, a potential $2500 appreciation in four months. Not too shabby! I don't have any really earth-shattering revelations, but I think this story does illustrate a few things that are repeated over and over on these boards by experienced posters: - As time goes on, the certified population numbers, especially for higher grades, are going to become more and more unreliable/meaningless. I've noticed this with seated halves (which are pretty easy to identify an individual coin), but I'm sure it's true for most series. - When looking for a coin it's often advisable to try to find the "sweet spot" in the grading spectrum (especially if you're a beginner). In other words, buy at a grade before a huge price jump. For a lot of series, this jump happens after MS63/64. - Buy the coin, not the slab. If you focus on eye-appealing, problem free coins, you'll be ahead of the pack (even if you don't plan on playing the crackout game). - Looking through auction archives is highly encouraged. In addition to being a more reliable price guide than "real" price guides, you get to see what other coins are out there for that date.[/QUOTE]
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