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<p>[QUOTE="brg5658, post: 2041155, member: 29751"]As I mentioned before, I know this coin (and the whole series of the 20,50, and 100 Franc) very well. I have looked at and owned many over the previous 3-4 years.</p><p><br /></p><p>On the 100F you posted, the only place I see where some form of post-mint-damage occurred is on the obverse near the shield to the right of the bust. This is not a normal location for raised or mint-produced striations / die repair / die preparation lines; further, the images are quite clear that these are damage into the surface of the coin, not raised delicate striations.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/brg5658/Research/100f_lux_pmd_zps3eaf425b.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now, that being said, the damage may not be from "cleaning" but some form of mishandling. To the best of my knowledge, all of these three different denominations were issued in quantities of 100,000 coins in special sets and were specially handled. A great number of them exist in UNC condition today, and "bag marks" don't really make sense as an explanation for these areas of damage based on their history. Many were saved more as "commemoratives" than as circulating coinage, as the reverse celebrates the 600th anniversary of the death of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Bohemia" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Bohemia" rel="nofollow">John the Blind</a> (also known as John of Bohemia).</p><p><br /></p><p>In the end, this coin <i><b>may</b> </i>still grade problem free at a TPG, as the damage (while it appears to be sort of deep) may not be considered substantial enough to merit a "no grade." </p><p><br /></p><p>With regard to the reverse, I don't see <b><u>any</u></b> signs of cleaning. The area under the front hooves of the horse is present on most of the 100 F coins, but is absent on the 2,000 that were struck without the designer's name (BONNETAIN). The clear striations below the rear of the horse are also "as minted," as the finishing work on these dies was as such.</p><p><br /></p><p>Both the 20F and the 50F you posted, based on the obverse images only, look quite lovely and typical for the series. I'll post my examples of the 20F and 50F below for comparison, in case you want to further investigate any potential areas of die markers. Most of these coins come with either the slightest champagne toning or with no toning at all. Some (based on their storage) exhibit more marked toning like my two examples below.</p><p><br /></p><p>I hope this helps.</p><p><br /></p><p>-Brandon</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/brg5658/Photography/1946_Luxembourg_50F_NGC_MS67_Toned_composite.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/brg5658/Photography/1946_Luxembourg_20F_NGC_MS67_Toned_composite.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="brg5658, post: 2041155, member: 29751"]As I mentioned before, I know this coin (and the whole series of the 20,50, and 100 Franc) very well. I have looked at and owned many over the previous 3-4 years. On the 100F you posted, the only place I see where some form of post-mint-damage occurred is on the obverse near the shield to the right of the bust. This is not a normal location for raised or mint-produced striations / die repair / die preparation lines; further, the images are quite clear that these are damage into the surface of the coin, not raised delicate striations. [IMG]http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/brg5658/Research/100f_lux_pmd_zps3eaf425b.jpg[/IMG] Now, that being said, the damage may not be from "cleaning" but some form of mishandling. To the best of my knowledge, all of these three different denominations were issued in quantities of 100,000 coins in special sets and were specially handled. A great number of them exist in UNC condition today, and "bag marks" don't really make sense as an explanation for these areas of damage based on their history. Many were saved more as "commemoratives" than as circulating coinage, as the reverse celebrates the 600th anniversary of the death of [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Bohemia']John the Blind[/URL] (also known as John of Bohemia). In the end, this coin [I][B]may[/B] [/I]still grade problem free at a TPG, as the damage (while it appears to be sort of deep) may not be considered substantial enough to merit a "no grade." With regard to the reverse, I don't see [B][U]any[/U][/B] signs of cleaning. The area under the front hooves of the horse is present on most of the 100 F coins, but is absent on the 2,000 that were struck without the designer's name (BONNETAIN). The clear striations below the rear of the horse are also "as minted," as the finishing work on these dies was as such. Both the 20F and the 50F you posted, based on the obverse images only, look quite lovely and typical for the series. I'll post my examples of the 20F and 50F below for comparison, in case you want to further investigate any potential areas of die markers. Most of these coins come with either the slightest champagne toning or with no toning at all. Some (based on their storage) exhibit more marked toning like my two examples below. I hope this helps. -Brandon [IMG]http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/brg5658/Photography/1946_Luxembourg_50F_NGC_MS67_Toned_composite.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/brg5658/Photography/1946_Luxembourg_20F_NGC_MS67_Toned_composite.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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