Ceaning or Die polish

Hello folks,
Can someone tell me if the lines on this coin are cleaning or die polish marks.
I would appreciate the help.

 

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Everyone else seems to have gone to bed so I will guess die scratches.

 

That appears to be from cleaning the scratches go from the fields to the devices while die polish lines are usuay just the fields as the devices are recessed not raised

 

I cant take very good pics, but Nearly all of the lines that I'm seeing are in the fields and not on the raised areas. The lines also do not cover the whole coin, like I have seen on other cleaned coins. They are just here & there.

 

Your photos should be taken from directly overhead and show the whole coin. While improper cleaning or polishing may be restricted to one small area, it is helpful to judge it by viewing the entire coin.

Chris

 

Most of what I'm seeing looks like die polish: patches of short lines that end at the raised devices. Only the first photo shows a few widely spaced hairlines crossing a shield like device.

 

On that last photo, there are a number of parallel deep scratches beneath the horse's hooves that are clearly incuse. In the first (obverse) photo, some of the lines look like they're raised from the coin's surface (i.e. die scratches or polish marks), but it looks like there are really deep gouges in the field between "R G" and the bust.

I'm going to have to go with "extremely harsh cleaning".

 

looks like someone took a rag to it and tried to clean it

 

Here is a similar coin. The seller say's it is die polish.
It looked like cleaning to me too.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LUXEMBOURG-...3050313?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item487525b349

 

Funny how the "cleaning" hairlines on the OP's coin are identical to the "cleaning" hairlines on the coin posted on Ebay.

I'm not arguing that the OP coin has not been cleaned - there appear to be hairlines from cleaning on it. But I'm not nearly as convinced as you are that they aren't die polish. There appears to be some of both going on.

The coin on Ebay does not appear to have been cleaned - that is all die polish.

And die polish lines can, and absolutely do, criss cross each other. They can also travel up onto the devices.

 

Interesting, though that the second coin has patches of lines in the same locations as the one in the OP. The only area of concern to me as far as cleaning is under the bust truncation. In the second coin this area is toned and difficult to evaluate. So, I still think that most of what I'm seeing is die polish.
(I was still composing while Jason was posting)

 

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There are some abrasions on my coin (I believe from the packaging it was in) but other than that, it pretty much looks like the coin on ebay.
Why do you think mine has been cleaned and the other has not?

 

They may not specifically be from a cleaning, but those are definitely scratches from the coin being rubbed by something.
Die polish lines will be raised metal on the surface of the coin.

 

One of the best known examples of heavy die polish is found on the 1922 Grant w/star comm. In this example from HA you can see swirling die polish lines going every which way; in some areas they are so dense as to make the surface appear hazy. Not so different from the coin in the OP.
http://coins.ha.com/itm/commemorati...22-50c-grant-with-star-ms65-ngc/a/1209-3524.s

 

With this back and forth about die polish lines going any which way, is someone standing over the polisher at the mint in the tool room every second to see if they always follow procedure. Or are the dies polished while in the press always? Just curious. I'm seeing die scratches above the shield and B in the top photo (raised lines) and cleaning marks.