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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 2711012, member: 19463&quot;]Paduans or the medals of Giovanni Cavino from the 16th century struck from his original dies are as valuable as the coins they copied but we only see a very few offered.&nbsp; More are casts made later from molds made from originals or earlier generations of casts.&nbsp; After a few generations, detail is terrible and obviously not original even to beginners.&nbsp; We see terms like cast, early after-cast and late after-cast.&nbsp; Exactly where the line is drawn between the groups is a lot like grading with opinions all over the place.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>The second problem is that not all cast fake sestertii and medallions are Paduans much less works of Giovanni Cavino.&nbsp;&nbsp; The book on these is PD and free online:</p><p><a href="https://archive.org/details/medalsbygiovanni00lawriala" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/medalsbygiovanni00lawriala" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/details/medalsbygiovanni00lawriala</a></p><p><br /></p><p>This is #32 on page 13 so it has added interest in at least having been related to the famous Cavino rather than another medallist of the same or later period.&nbsp; How we are suppose to tell Cavino&#039;s from works of his students is beyond me but the same problem troubles people interested in paintings and sculptures that cost millions so we get off easy.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>I have two from Septimius Severus.&nbsp; The first is a late after-cast with reverse not proper to Septimius (Nerva?).&nbsp; I suspect it spent years as a pocket piece but may be closer to 19th century than 16th. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]612251[/ATTACH] </p><p>Second, Mars, is a bit better but still what I would call a later after-cast unless I were trying to sell it when I might be less specific and just say &#039;after-cast&#039;.&nbsp; I&#039;ve seen similar called &#039;early&#039;.&nbsp; It is in the book as #69 so would sell for much more than the above junker.&nbsp; While not as many generations from a struck original, I am unclear how to say when it was made. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]612252[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Last is a Divus Pertinax not in the book and only standard sestertius size.&nbsp; It was sold to me as a Paduan by a dealer who priced it as what it is but called it more than what I consider appropriate. It is cast and the original was Renaissance <b>or later</b> (not 193 AD!) artwork.&nbsp; If the style fools you as ancient, I suggest you not buy a Pertinax quite yet.&nbsp; I sure would like to know for sure when it was made. It is a fake but a pretty bauble whether it was made by Cavino or another Italian of the same name. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]612254[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I enjoy seeing listings of these coins just to compare where the catalogers place them in the degeneration from struck to trash.&nbsp; There are many opinions.&nbsp; Ken&#039;s is a pretty nice cast but in no danger of being mistaken for an original.&nbsp; I agree with his take on the coin:</p><p><br /></p><p>His first link given above is particularly interesting as it is listed as struck (I tend to agree from the photo) but it is holed.&nbsp; It was estimated at $100 and sold for $1100 plus fluff.&nbsp; Opinions matter.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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