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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2353629, member: 56859"]This 9 mm bronze coin was a very welcome addition to my Pigasus squadron.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is quite rare, at least in references and online databases, and there is disagreement about the attribution. I've read the Troxell reference which, thankfully, is online in its entirety. I haven't found the one other reference (Winzer).</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]479303[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>MYSIA, Kisthene. Pharnabazos, satrap</b></p><p>413-374/3 BCE</p><p>AE, 9 mm, 0.75 gm</p><p>Obv: Bearded head right, wearing bashlyk.</p><p>Rev: KIΣ.; forepart of winged boar right.</p><p>Ref: Troxell, Orontes 7</p><p><br /></p><p>It is cited in <a href="http://retro.seals.ch/digbib/view?pid=snr-003:1981:60::32" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://retro.seals.ch/digbib/view?pid=snr-003:1981:60::32" rel="nofollow">Troxell's "Orontes, Satrap of Mysia"</a> (SNR 60: 27-39, 1981) yet the description doesn't match and by similar listings it is Phanabazos rather than Orontes. The obverse figure in this coin appears to be wearing a bashlyk, not a tiara as described in Troxell's work. Despite the apparent current thinking that this coin was issued under Pharnabazos, it is still cited from Troxell's article on the Mysian coins of Orontes.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Excerpt from Troxell:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]479305[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>It is difficult to search for examples when the descriptions and attributions vary so much. It is difficult for numismatists to definitively assign an attribution when few examples are known and all have wear, corrosion, or other issues which obscure original details.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are the only other examples I've found so far:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://www.cngcoins.com/photos/small/2880195.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>MYSIA, Kisthene. <i>Pharnabazos. </i></b>Persian military commander, 413-374/3 BC. Æ (9mm, 0.75 g, 5h). Struck circa 399-390 BC. Head right, wearing bashlik; [Φ behind?] / Forepart of winged bull <i>[obviously a simple cataloging mistake; it is a boar-- TIF]</i> right. Troxell, <i>Orontes</i> 7 (citing 2); Winzer 9.1 or 9.2. VF, green patina. Very rare.</p><p><a href="http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=219566" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=219566" rel="nofollow">CNG 288, lot 195 (10 October 2012)</a></p><p><br /></p><p>CNG's cataloger had this to say about the above coin:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]479308[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>MYSIA. Kisthene. <i>Pharnabazos</i> (413-374/3 BC)</b></p><p>AE, 8 mm, 0.62 gm</p><p>Obv: Head right, wearing bashlyk; Φ to left.</p><p>Rev: KIΣ;Forepart of winged boar right.</p><p>Troxell, Orontes, 7.</p><p>Condition: Near very fine.</p><p><a href="http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2579063" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2579063" rel="nofollow">Gitbud & Naumann Auction 34, lot 169. 9 August 2015</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]479313[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>MYSIA. Kisthene. <i>Pharnabazos</i> (413-374/3 BC)</b></p><p>Ae, 9 mm, 0.69 gm</p><p>Obv: Head right, wearing bashlik; Φ to left.</p><p>Rev: KIΣ (retrograde); Forepart of winged boar right.</p><p>Troxell, Orontes, 7 var. (arrangement of ethnic).</p><p>Very rare</p><p>Condition: Near very fine.</p><p><a href="http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2305008" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2305008" rel="nofollow">Gitbud & Naumann, Auction 27, lot 186 (4 January 2015)</a></p><p>The reverse style of this coin is quite different and the ethnic is retrograde.</p><p><br /></p><p>...</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not a appreciate a Φ behind the head in any of these four coins and if I understand correctly, the attribution to Pharnabazos seems to hinge on finding this on the one example from Winzer.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, I have questions about this coin. Was it issued by Pharnabazos or was it Orontes? Someone else? Kisthene seems reasonable given the KIΣ.</p><p><br /></p><p>If anyone has access to the Winzer book (A. Winzer. <i>Antike portraitmünzen der Perser und Greichen aus vor-hellenistischer Zeit</i>; Zeitraum ca. 510-322 v.Chr., March-Hugstetten 2005), I'd appreciate it if you could post a picture of the relevant page or pages.</p><p><br /></p><p>...</p><p><br /></p><p>Meanwhile, I'd love to see any coins or post you feel relate to this coin in any way <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2353629, member: 56859"]This 9 mm bronze coin was a very welcome addition to my Pigasus squadron. It is quite rare, at least in references and online databases, and there is disagreement about the attribution. I've read the Troxell reference which, thankfully, is online in its entirety. I haven't found the one other reference (Winzer). [ATTACH=full]479303[/ATTACH] [B]MYSIA, Kisthene. Pharnabazos, satrap[/B] 413-374/3 BCE AE, 9 mm, 0.75 gm Obv: Bearded head right, wearing bashlyk. Rev: KIΣ.; forepart of winged boar right. Ref: Troxell, Orontes 7 It is cited in [URL='http://retro.seals.ch/digbib/view?pid=snr-003:1981:60::32']Troxell's "Orontes, Satrap of Mysia"[/URL] (SNR 60: 27-39, 1981) yet the description doesn't match and by similar listings it is Phanabazos rather than Orontes. The obverse figure in this coin appears to be wearing a bashlyk, not a tiara as described in Troxell's work. Despite the apparent current thinking that this coin was issued under Pharnabazos, it is still cited from Troxell's article on the Mysian coins of Orontes. Excerpt from Troxell: [ATTACH=full]479305[/ATTACH] It is difficult to search for examples when the descriptions and attributions vary so much. It is difficult for numismatists to definitively assign an attribution when few examples are known and all have wear, corrosion, or other issues which obscure original details. Here are the only other examples I've found so far: [IMG]http://www.cngcoins.com/photos/small/2880195.jpg[/IMG] [B]MYSIA, Kisthene. [I]Pharnabazos. [/I][/B]Persian military commander, 413-374/3 BC. Æ (9mm, 0.75 g, 5h). Struck circa 399-390 BC. Head right, wearing bashlik; [Φ behind?] / Forepart of winged bull [I][obviously a simple cataloging mistake; it is a boar-- TIF][/I] right. Troxell, [I]Orontes[/I] 7 (citing 2); Winzer 9.1 or 9.2. VF, green patina. Very rare. [URL='http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=219566']CNG 288, lot 195 (10 October 2012)[/URL] CNG's cataloger had this to say about the above coin: [ATTACH=full]479308[/ATTACH] [B]MYSIA. Kisthene. [I]Pharnabazos[/I] (413-374/3 BC)[/B] AE, 8 mm, 0.62 gm Obv: Head right, wearing bashlyk; Φ to left. Rev: KIΣ;Forepart of winged boar right. Troxell, Orontes, 7. Condition: Near very fine. [URL='http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2579063']Gitbud & Naumann Auction 34, lot 169. 9 August 2015[/URL] [ATTACH=full]479313[/ATTACH] [B]MYSIA. Kisthene. [I]Pharnabazos[/I] (413-374/3 BC)[/B] Ae, 9 mm, 0.69 gm Obv: Head right, wearing bashlik; Φ to left. Rev: KIΣ (retrograde); Forepart of winged boar right. Troxell, Orontes, 7 var. (arrangement of ethnic). Very rare Condition: Near very fine. [URL='http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2305008']Gitbud & Naumann, Auction 27, lot 186 (4 January 2015)[/URL] The reverse style of this coin is quite different and the ethnic is retrograde. ... I do not a appreciate a Φ behind the head in any of these four coins and if I understand correctly, the attribution to Pharnabazos seems to hinge on finding this on the one example from Winzer. So, I have questions about this coin. Was it issued by Pharnabazos or was it Orontes? Someone else? Kisthene seems reasonable given the KIΣ. If anyone has access to the Winzer book (A. Winzer. [I]Antike portraitmünzen der Perser und Greichen aus vor-hellenistischer Zeit[/I]; Zeitraum ca. 510-322 v.Chr., March-Hugstetten 2005), I'd appreciate it if you could post a picture of the relevant page or pages. ... Meanwhile, I'd love to see any coins or post you feel relate to this coin in any way :)[/QUOTE]
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