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Message:: [QUOTE="posnerfan_48, post: 4508178, member: 111645"]First of all, great to see more interest in ancient Chinese coinage! I struggle a lot with the Hartill variations as well. I've often bought from dealers and disagreed with their Hartill assignments. For example, it's hard for me to tell the difference between the various types of feet of the "tong" and whether characters are "normal" or "large" sized without seeing the actual coins! I've been told that when it comes to wu zhu variations, Hartill actually contains several errors and omissions (not that he claims to be comprehensive). I've also heard from some specialists in Northern Song that Hartill can be lacking. I know that [USER=102653]@TuckHard[/USER] in particular has an interest in Northern Song coinage and might be able to speak more directly to your concerns. In short, I'd say that I think that Hartill should be used as a guide, not gospel. Here is mine example of Xi Ning. Much rougher than yours, though I do like the blue patina. I've assigned it 16.119 but feel free to let me know if you disagree! [ATTACH=full]1117402[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]