Can'tstandyas II/ or a soliloquy of Constantius II, my first siliqua!

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    For a ruler from a family that I can't stand
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    (Gotta love the Costanza's, right?!)

    Constantius II has a wide variety of coins that I like... Due to the fact that they're within my budget and the interesting artistry.
    But keep in mind, despite all the over the top obligatory propaganda, he had some aggressive enemies he had to go up against!
    A quick lowdown on the trust fund Emperor:
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    Constantius II (Latin: Flavius Julius Constantius Augustus;[1][2] Greek: Κωνστάντιος; 7 August 317 – 3 November 361) was Roman Emperor from 337 to 361. His reign saw constant warfare on the borders against the Sasanian Empire and Germanic peoples, while internally the Roman Empire went through repeated civil wars and usurpations. His religious policies inflamed domestic conflicts that would continue after his death.

    Those enemies including his own notoriously fabulous;) brother Constans!
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    Whom, fresh off his killing of other brother Constantine II (the one that old mad dad didn't have decapitated), was on his way to take over Constantius II's realm when he was killed by his own general and right hand man, the dynamic duo of Mag n Dec (2 more massive thorns in his side). Just to name a few lurking concerns.
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    Magnentius
    Ӕ Nummus. Lyon, AD 351-353. D N MAGNENTIVS P F, bare-headed, draped and cuirassed bust right / GLORIA ROMANORVM, Emperor galloping right, spearing barbarian kneeling left; shield and broken spear below horse, RSLG in exergue. RIC 115.
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    Decentius
    Caesar, AD 350/1-353. Æ Lugdunum (Lyon) mint, 2nd officina. Struck AD 351. Bareheaded and cuirassed bust right / Two Victories standing facing one another, holding wreath inscribed VOT/V/MVLT/X in four lines; SV//RSLG•. RIC VIII 129;

    Now back to the thrill of the chase: There's certainly nothing like getting a rip roaring deal due to a hole or some other non disruptive or character adding defect on a coin normally more than you're willing to pay. To that point... Here's my first siliqua!

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    Constantius II
    AD 337-361. AR Siliqua (20mm, 1.77 g, 5h). Constantinople mint, 11th officina. Struck AD 351-355. Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right / VOTIS/XXX/MVLTIS/XXXX in four lines; all within wreath; C·IA. RIC VIII 102; RSC 342-3j. holed
    Ex-Savoca

    And as a snack I picked up this bug eyed fellow from a mint I cannot peg:
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    Constantius II
    AD 337-361. Antioch Follis Æ 15mm., 1,95g. D N CONSTANTIVS P F AVG, rosette-diademed head right / VOT XX MVLT XXX within wreath, mintmark: SMAN?
    Ex-Savoca

    My long time favorite LRB:
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    Constantius II
    As Caesar, AD 324-337. Æ Follis, Treveri (Trier) mint. Struck AD 326. Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust left / Camp-gate with two turrets and no door; star above; PTR(pellet-within-crescent). RIC VII 480; LRBC 29.
    Former @Severus Alexander!

    Please post all your Cantstandyas II, his enemies, Siliquas or whatever you feel:)
     
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  3. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    Some great coins there my friend.

    Here is a diagram I put together for my write up on Julian II that shows just how bloody this family tree became.
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    Here are a few more coins from the Constantinian Dynasty for the thread.

    Jupiter the Preserver
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    Roman Empire
    Constantine I, AD 306-337
    AE Follis, Cyzicus mint, 6th officina, struck ca. 313-315
    Dia.: 21 mm
    Wt.: 3.8 g
    Obv.: IMP C FL VAL CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; Laureate head right
    Rev.: IOVI CONS-ERVATORI; Jupiter standing left, holding globe surmounted by Victory in right hand, holding scepter in left hand; eagle holding wreath in beak at left; S // SMK
    Ref.: RIC VII 3
    Ex JAZ Numismatics


    A Thread Honoring “Campgates.” Post Yours!
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    Roman Empire
    Constantius II as Caesar
    BI Follis, Arelatum Mint (Arles), 4th officina, struck AD 328
    Dia.: 19.9 mm
    Wt.: 3.2 g
    Obv.: FL IVL CONSTANTIVS NOB C; Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev.: VIRTVS CAESS; Campgate with 4 turrets, star above, gates open, each door with two panels, each panel ornamented with two dots; S – F flanking sides; QCONST in exergue.
    Ref.: RIC VII Arles 323
    Ex Zachary “Beast” Beasley Collection of Camp Gates. Ex CNG Electronic Auction 134, Lot 452 (March 2006). Ex VAuctions 250, Lot 167 (Aug. 5, 2010). Ex FORVM Ancient Coins (Jun. 2019)


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    Roman Empire
    Canstantius II (AD 337-361)
    AE16, Siscia mint
    Obv.: CONSTANTIVS P F AVG; Rosette-Diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Rev.: VICTORIAE DD AVGG Q NN; two Victories about to engage in epic battle
    Ref.: RIC VIII 182
    Ex JAZ Numismatics


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    Roman Empire
    Constans (AD 337-350)
    AE3; Antioch Mint, struck ca. AD 348-350
    Obv.: D N CONSTANS P F AVG - Pearl-diademed, draped & cuirassed bust left, globe in right hand.
    Rev.: FEL TEMP REPARATIO; Helmeted soldier, spear in left hand, advancing right, head turned to left; with his right hand, he leads a small bare-headed figure from a hut beneath a tree. The spear points downward. between the soldier’s legs. // ANΓ.
    Ref.: RIC VIII 126, p. 522.

    Ex JAZ Numismatics

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    Roman Empire
    Constantine II as Caesar (AD 317 - 337)
    AE Follis, Siscia mint, struck ca. AD 330 - 333
    Obv.: CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C. Laureate, cuirassed bust right.
    Rev.: GLOR-IA EXERC-ITVS. Two soldiers standing, facing each other with spear in outer hand, inner hand on shield resting on ground; two standards between.
    Ref.: RIC VII 220 (Siscia)

    Purchased in Jerusalem, Nov. 2016
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CONSTANTIUS II

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    RI Constantius II 337-361 CE AE 2 Soldier spearing downed horseman


    WHAT THE HECK, HERE is a Siliqua

    RI Valentinian II AD 375-392 AR Siliqua 18mm 1.8g Trier Victory wreath palm RIC IX 43.JPG
    RI Valentinian II AD 375-392 AR Siliqua 18mm 1.8g Trier Victory wreath palm RIC IX 43
     
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  5. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Sweet new siliqua Ryro! I actually had that one my watch list, I had been wanting the type for a while. I'm glad I didn't bid you up! Instead I picked up this nicely toned one (with a crack rather than a hole) which stayed just under my max in a different auction at about the same time:

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    And some more Constantius II... first, your favourite LRB's soulmate (from the same group lot):
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    Also as Caesar, but with the nifty early chi-rho (c. 336, during dad-the-great's lifetime):
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    And finally, the famous HOC SIGNO VICTOR ERIS reverse:
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  6. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    Constantius II Ar Siliqua (Heavy standard) RIC 66 Rv VOTIS XXX MVLTIS XXXX within wreath Sirmium 350-355 A.D. 2.83 grms 21 mm conbis12.JPG
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    You don't know what you are asking. This list has more than a few members with more than a few hundred coins of Constantius II and enemies. 'All' you do not want. These are my highlights. All have been posted here before.

    Amiens mint horsemen are hard to find.
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    So are the ones from Trier. rx6336bb3006.jpg

    After the defeat of Magnentius, a few coins were made using his Chi-Rho type in the name of Constantius II. The problem is that Magnentius used that type to point out to Orthodox Christians that Constantius was an Arrian heretic. In particular, Arians did not believe that the Son (Christ) had been with the Father from the beginning but had been created and was subordinate to him. This made the Alpha and Omega used on the coin very inappropriate.
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    Siliqua, Arles mint. I bought it for the toning.
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    I am fond of the style from the Rome mint even if it is not the most rare of the 15 options for falling horsemen.
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    Magnentius has many more interesting types but this black beauty has always been among my favorites.
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    Similar but Decentius:
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    After Constantius has dealt with all those enemies, he needed to find an heir. Having killed off most of his family, he fell back on the young Constantius Gallus who was considered too young to be a threat during the killing time. That did not work out so well either and before long Gallus fell into history as well. My favorite coins of Constantius Gallus:

    Amiens mint is even harder to find for Gallus than for Constantius II. You can not be too condition snobbish if these are your interest. This is a die clash struck on a ragged flan but is the finest style, typically Amiens, coin I have seen. Of course, I have not seen all that many of these. Have you?
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    The Aquilea mint made a few falling horsemen at a standard of 72 to the Roman pound. Changing weight standards happened frequently. Why did they consider it appropriate to label it on the coins on this one occasion?
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    Finally, Constantius selected the younger brother of Gallus to be his heir. Again proving that picking relatives is not always the best move, Constantius died when moving to eliminate this latest cousin/disappointment . Julian II had been raised with the finest Christian education but, having seen all his fine Christian family members killing each other, reverted to Paganism and gave us a special bull type in honor of his return to the old ways. The Christians in the army did not see this as a good move so Julian was soon overthrown (but that is another thread).
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  8. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    Nice one @Ryro! Here’s one of Magnentius and his wonderful helmet of hair (I wish the reverse on mine was as nice as Doug’s coin above).

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    Magnentius, AE Centenionalis, Treveri, 352 AD, (23.3 mm, 4.55g)
    DN MAGNEN-TIVS P F AVG; Bare-headed bust to right, A behind/ VICTORIAE DD NN AVG ET CAES; Two Victories holding wreath with inscription VOT / V / MVLT / X; TRP in exergue
     
  9. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Nice score, Ryro. I have a soft spot for holed coins and really like that one. I don't have a holed siliqua, but one of my favorite Constantius II's is a holey.

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    CONSTANTIUS II, as Caesar
    AE3, Holed. 2.27g, 18.3mm. Antioch mint, AD 324-325. RIC VII Antioch 60 (R2). O: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right. R: CONSTAN / TI • VS / CAESAR in three lines, SMANTΔ / •

    Another favorite CII:
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    CONSTANTIUS II, as Caesar
    AE3. 2.71g, 18.4mm. Constantinople mint, AD 330-333. RIC VII Constantinople 61. O: FL IVL CONSTANTIVS NOB C, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right. R: GLOR-IA EXERC-ITVS, two soldiers standing with spears and shields, facing two standards between them, o in banners; CONSS in exergue.
     
  10. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Nice pick up @Ryro

    Some Constatantius II

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    Constantius II, Light miliarense, Ferrando II plate coin - * Arles mint (Arelate), 3d officina
    DN CONSTAN TIVS PF AVG, Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust of Constantius right
    VIRTVS EXERCITVS, Constantius (soldier) facing holding spear and shield. TCON at exergue
    4,54 gr ; 22,6 mm
    Ref : RIC VII # 252, Ferrando II # 1026 (this coin), Cohen #326, RC #3993v


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    Constantius II, AE2 Antioch mint, 1st officina
    D N CONSTANTIVS P F AVG, draped and pearl diademed bust right
    FEL TEMP RE PARATIO, fallen horseman, Gamma in field, ANA at exergue
    4.88 gr
    Ref : RCV # 18171, Cohen # 46, RIC # 132, LRBC # 2623


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    Constantius II, AE3-4 - Antioch mint
    D N CONSTANTIVS P F AVG, diademed head right
    VOT/XX/MVLT/XXX, within a laurel wreath
    At exergue SMANTI (Antioch mint
    1.70 gr
    Ref : Cohen # 335, LRBC # 1398 var,


    And Mag & Dec :

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    Magnentius, AE 1 - * Amiens mint, AD 353
    D N MAGNEN TIVS P F AVG, Draped bust of Magnentius right
    SALVS DD NN AVG ET CAES, Large christogram between alpha and omega. AMB at exergue
    9.20 gr
    Ref : Cohen #30, LRBC #19, Bastien # 135 (15 ex), RIC # 34 (C)


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    Decentius, Maiorina Lyon mint
    DN DECENTIVS CAES, bare bust, cuirassed right
    VICTORIA DD NN AVG ET CAE, two victories holding a wreath where is inscribed : VOT/V/MVLT/X. Dot and SV in field
    4.46 gr
    Ref : Cohen # 33, Roman coins # 4035, LRBC # 224

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  11. ruud1301

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  12. ruud1301

    ruud1301 Well-Known Member

    Two very nice coins from Constantius II came in today..both struck under Vetranio..first one is the hoc signo type..sirmium mint..with a small mistake..a N instead of an M..second type is the concordia militum type..siscia mint..ric VIII 284..is there someone out there who can identify the..Sirmium mint coin..many thanks!
     
  13. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Yes, followed by an officina letter (number), for Antioch.

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    Here is a similar coin with mintmark SMANI [the "I" may be followed by another letter, maybe IA --there were 15 officina at the time]
    RIC VIII Antioch 113 "C4" [extremely common]
     
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  14. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Let us not forget the two unfortunate cousins, both murdered shortly after the death of Constantine I to keep them from making any claims upon the throne, Delmatius:
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    Caesar, A.D. 335-337
    (Bronze) AE3/4
    Siscia mint, A.D. 335-336
    Obv: FL DELMATIVS NOB C
    Rev: GLOR-IA EXERC-ITVS - Two soldiers, standing, holding spears and resting hands on shields; one standard between them
    BSIS in exergue
    RIC 256
    11mm, 1.3g

    . . .And Hannibalianus:
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    Rex Regnum, A.D. 335-337
    (Bronze) AE3/4
    Constantinople mint, A.D. 335-336
    Obv: FL HANNIBALIANO REGI
    Rev: SE-CVRITAS PVBLICA - Euphrates seated right, holding sceptre, overturned urn at his side, from which water flows, reed in background
    CONSS in exergue
    RIC 147
    15mm, 1.4g.

    Finally, let us acknowledge the--let's face it: incredibly stupid--end of the Constantine dynasty by honoring the emperor who taught the entire world not to cook indoors with a charcoal grill, Jovian:
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    Augustus, A.D. 363-364
    (Bronze) AE3
    Sirmium mint, A.D. 363-364
    Obv: D N IOVIA-NVS P F AVG
    Rev: VOT/V/MVLT/X in four lines within wreath
    ASIRM in exergue
    RIC 119
    20mm, 3.7g.

    What a strange way to end a dynasty.
     
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