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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;V. Kurt Bellman, post: 3238562, member: 71723&quot;]Now I&#039;m going to relate a story that provides a useful fact pattern. One of my closest numismatic friends is Carl Waltz, Jr. of Millersville, PA, either the first, second or third top expert on Matte Proof Lincolns, depending on whom you ask.</p><p><br /></p><p>He insists, and I believe him, because I&#039;ve read the same from other authors, that there IS NO SUCH THING as a legit RD or RB Matte Proof Lincoln; all are fully BN or they have been messed with, period. All the top experts on MPL&#039;s agree on this.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, that&#039;s 1909 to what, 1915? Okay. Now, consider that there are, not many of course, but there ARE large cents with red on them. I saw (and bid on) an 1853 half cent that still had some original red on it last week at Ephrata, PA. It went for 3.5x full retail for a MS63BN, too rich for my blood. We see them all the time in Heritage and S/B sales, large cents and half cents with considerable red.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, why should MPL&#039;s from 1915 be impossible to be red, and large cents from 1840 NOT BE IMPOSSIBLE, unless what toned those MPL&#039;s was irreversible and unarrestable? SURELY, someone separated their MPL&#039;s from the offending tissue early on, it only stands to reason. But NONE in red exist?????</p><p><br /></p><p>I have to infer that the sulfur that causes the MPL&#039;s to ALL tone brown to be an unarrestable chemical reaction EVEN AFTER separation from the container tissue paper. What am I missing? If sulfur is an unarrestable toning agent, it is. If it IS arrestable, then why are there absolutely no legit MPL&#039;s with any red on them?</p><p><br /></p><p>Did someone stand over each and every original MPL owner and force them to keep the tissue paper on them until they all went brown?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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