Featured Can you define artificial toning ?

It is just at valuless as applying the term “uncirciulated” to an early US coin.

 

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Valueless terms utilized elsewhere do not legitimize a valueless definition here.

 

JeffB-that is how the judge described pornography. Right you are.

 

I've struggled for decades over how to draw the line between AT and NT. I found the BEST WAY FOR ME that works every time - refuse to pay ANY extra for ANY toning of ANY type.

 

You missed the point. I am just showing that there are terms in numismatics which no longer follow their technical definitions. That does not change the technical definitions themselves.

 

Market grading has forced an adjustment of how low MS grades are applied, but uncirculated still means uncirculated. I will agree that it is not necessarily a relevant term to use anymore, the same with AT, as market acceptability (of level of wear or appearance of toning) is what is relevant.

 

It seems that your question is whether or not intentionality makes the difference between natural and artificial toning. I would say it does not. If you can't tell the difference between toning that happened by accident and toning that happened by natural process but was intentional, what's the difference?

It seems as though we're debating how many angels can dance of the head of a pin.

Shoe polish, paint, etc. are another topic.

 

That works for me, too. Good thing I'm not looking for attractively-toned coins, though, because I'm sure not getting many of them.

 

Now Doug, maybe it’s not all that dire. Maybe Paul HAS seen it with his own eyes. Maybe he has even DONE it with his own hands. Maybe, just maybe, Paul’s protestations are merely a feeble attempt to protect his questionable profitable niche. Maybe he should prove that’s not what’s up here, huh? Doesn’t EVERYBOODY enjoy being challenged to prove the unprovable?

 

Use a coin that has distinctive marks and make sure the photos are good enough to positively identify the coin from those marks.

Take a photo of the coin next to a current newspaper heading in both photos.

Proof.

Let's see someone do it.

 

I’ll see what I can do

 

I also don’t get “many” either, but I do get SOME. My local area is awash with toning critics more severe than me.

 

If reasonable and ordinary care/curation/preservation could have prevented it, “The Bellman Criterion” labels it Artificial Toning per se. End of story.

I can see no reason to financially reward suboptimal curation skills.

 

But how do you feel about spoiled grapes? I mean, proper curation would have kept that sugar intact, either by freezing or drying, instead of letting it rot into ethanol...

 

Do I like the color on toned coins? Yes, of course. Am I going to pay extra for that color? No, don't be silly.

I buy the coin. Not the color. If any of the coins in my collection are toned they toned naturally. Even if was stored incorrectly or in an album.

 

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I got bored after the first two pages so I agree with the old saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and also the one about "a fool and his money". "One born every minute" comes to mind also.