Can these Morgan Dollars be Real? Every coin in MS UNC???? Fake?

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  1. runninghorse1

    runninghorse1 Member

    I don't know, but these are on eBay right now. Link below. I am not bidding, only watching. This seller has 13 Morgans for sale now, all of them are nearly flawless and all in some strange holders that I've not seen before. Looks too good to be true to me. If these are legit, I'm sure sorry to be critical of them, but I smell a rat when there are so many similarities in grade, photos, etc. What do you guys think? If I'm correct and these are fake, how to we stop these from getting into our marketplace?

    1878 Morgan Dollar - 7/8 TF Tailfeathers - BU MS UNC GEM - Nice Silver Coin! | eBay
     
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  3. YoloBagels

    YoloBagels Well-Known Member

    They are authentic but heavily polished (or whizzed).

    Notice how every one of his pics is taken in a certain position so that the lighting makes it harder to see the problem.

    The fact that he doesn't accept returns is already warning enough.
     
  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Enough said.
     
  5. runninghorse1

    runninghorse1 Member

    Thanks guys, I appreciate the insight that you've shared.
     
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  6. JeffC

    JeffC Never buying coin tubes with pull-off caps again. Supporter

    I googled Numismatic Grading Association. Not a hit. Couldn't even get any contact information.
     
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  7. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Coins are genuine cleaned junk. Stay far away for over melt
     
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  8. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    If a coin isn't in a slab from NGC, PCGS, ANACS, or ICG, you should be highly suspect of the assigned grade. That coin is graded by a service, which many would consider a classic example of a self-slabber. The best comparison is arguably the phenomenon known as "catfishing" instead of pretending to be someone else online; most sellers attempt to deceptively pass the coin off as a high-grade specimen. When in reality, the coin is often circulated or a problem coin.

    https://coinauctionshelp.com/AACGS.html
     
  9. Derrick Combs

    Derrick Combs Active Member

    If you want to learn about what junk morgans look like search morgandealer on eBay. This guy has every available example of what a junk Morgan looks like. And don't ever bid on any of them. No matter how they look
     
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  10. Penna_Boy

    Penna_Boy Just a nobody from the past

    Just my opinion now folks: If I buy silver I buy PCGS and if I buy gold it's NGC.
    There are dozens of 'Self Slabbers' out there all trying to get your money.
     
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  11. Virginian

    Virginian Well-Known Member

    That's a FrankenMorgan. Just look at what's going on in the neck area on the obverse and at 9 o'clock on the reverse. Oh, my!
     
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  12. runninghorse1

    runninghorse1 Member

    Just noted that this cleaned, self-slabbed, Morgan sold for $256.11 and had 42 bids! Yes, I see now the neck area and the rough surface at 9 o'clock. Uggh.... Thank you everyone for your kind thoughts on these cleaned Morgans. I just learned a lot from all of you. Very grateful....
     
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  13. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    That's a strong clash. VAM 41C. Still worth nowhere near what it seems to have sold for.
     
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  14. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting the coin issue.
     
  15. STU

    STU Active Member

    junk silver melt is all
     
  16. Millard

    Millard Coindog

    And "how?" you may ask can we afford to sell at such a discount rate. Volume, my friend, we deal in volume. So come on down today to Morgan's Discount Coins, on the corner of Here and Over There. Get your bargain today, and oh what a bargain. And remember our motto! "just look the other way"!
     
  17. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    When I saw "MS UNC" in the title I was pretty sure the seller didn't know coins. Then a look at the coin said cleaned.
    And finally the TPG(!) screamed fake.
     
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  18. mike estes

    mike estes Active Member

    some things i heard from my dad growing up
    * when you see something that seems to good to be true it probably is
    * go with your gut
    * if a seller does not accept returns - stay away
    all 3 are very good advice
     
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  19. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Heavily cleaned, and total junk. P.T. Barnum coins. Feed them to the smelter. They are silver, so melt those suckers.
     
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  20. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    42 bids for a coin worth melt ? :wideyed:

    OMG.....wonder how many unique bidders from the 42.
     
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