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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;chrisild, post: 2152607, member: 39&quot;]For me an important criterion is, can a piece (issued by/for some government, with a denomination ...) actually be used for payments? If yes, I&#039;d say coin. Even a surcharged proof variety of a common coin would, for me, be in that category. If in general it is not accepted for payments, are or were people able to get it exchanged? In case a redemption is/was not possible, I don&#039;t think of a piece as a coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now a pattern may be issued by a government. But even if we leave the numerous third party &quot;pattern&quot; pieces aside, do/did such patterns have the function of means of payment? Most likely not. They may very well be relevant for numismatists, and thus be in many collections ...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In the sense of &quot;pieces with a face value issued in the name of some government&quot; they certainly are. However, they are not made for circulation but in order to be purchased and collected by people like us. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> The euro collector coins for example have to be different from circulation and commemorative coins in various regards, and EU law specifically says that &quot;Member States shall take all appropriate measures to discourage the use of collector coins as a means of payment.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>So yes, they are coins. But regardless of where such legislation applies or does not apply, collectors who focus on the &quot;means of payment&quot; aspect may find NCLT pieces to be second class coins. I&#039;m in that boat too - on the other hand I realize and appreciate the fact that such pieces allow the mints to experiment with different designs, materials, etc.&nbsp; That is why in quite a few cases I say, heck, this is not really money, but it&#039;s a coin, and I love it. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Christian[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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