Can someone explain how this double struck error occured?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Insider, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    The obverse looks like a normal coin that did not eject completely, turned 180 degrees, and was struck again with the second strike off-center.

    The reverse has me puzzled. The original coin looks fine and the second strike only spread out the design on the original reverse.

    I have seen dbl. struck coins with the die design on both strikes. Also coins with the obverse as this but the reverse was struck with a blank between that obliterated the original reverse.

    So, how was this made?
     

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  3. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Your Double Strike has a 'Uniface" reverse;
    it's because another planchet slipped into the
    striking chamber/collar, when the second strike
    occurred. It was partially under neither the
    just-struck coin when it was struck a 2nd time,
    off center.

    If there wasn't another (unstuck) planchet in the
    collar at the time of this double strike, the reverse
    design would have been there, as on the obverse side.

    I call it DSBS - Die Struck (on) both Strikes.

    Your's is a Uniface strike on the reverse.

    Hope this helps a bit.
     
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  4. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Learned something today. It always seems to happen to me when I start to think I know a lot about numismatics. :happy:
     
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  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Thanks Fred. I was going to send this image but posted it in hopes you would see it. I hope the members appreciate the fact that you are spending valuable time to educate us!

    Do I understand what you wrote? So, in the case of this dbl. strike, the blank never came into contact with the already struck reverse. That let the original reverse design remain on the coin but just spread it out.
     
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  6. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    Fred's the man and always willing to teach.
    We are fortunate to have him as a member here.
     
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  7. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    that's a cool 1
     
  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    My understanding of Fred's explanation is that a new planchet came between the reverse of the (previously) struck coin and the die. It allowed the second (off-center) strike of the obverse, and caused the planchet to deform the (previously) struck reverse of the coin.

    @Fred Weinberg - If my explanation is incorrect, please let me know.

    Chris
     
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  9. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's what I was saying....

    What you see in the distortion of the uniface reverse 2nd strike is
    the original rev. design from the first strike, but spread out a bit,
    and deformed, from the pressure of the 2nd O/C Strike, but with
    a unstruck planchet being between the bottom of the coin, and the
    die.

    Ie; the other coin in this process would be an off center strike with
    a brockage of the reverse side.

    If you had both pieces, that's a Mated Pair - they will fit into each
    other perfectly, and almost 'click' together when matched.
     
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  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Wonder what the second planchet that was struck looked like.

    ....Dang missed the answer by seconds...
     
  11. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    It would be an off center strike with a brockage of the
    reverse.
     
  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    What I still don't fully understand is this: When the blank planchet keeps the reverse die of the second strike from touching the original coin, I thought the pressure of the double thickness (original struck coin + blank) was strong enough to flatten and obliterate the design of the original coin. On this coin it is just spread with no evidence of weakening or removing the original strike.
     
  13. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    The pressure of the off center strike, with the unstuck planchet underneath it ,
    spreads/distorts the original lettering in that area from the first strike.

    It does not totally obliterate the design from the original first strike
     
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  14. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    OK, I believe you but what do error experts call a coin that looks exactly like my OP on the obverse yet the O/C strike on the reverse is spread out with no trace of any design where the other planchet blocked the dies?
     
  15. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    There IS the trace of design, spread out, where the other
    planchet prevented the rev. design from being struck on the
    reverse of the 2nd strike - it's the distortion from the UNSTRUCK
    planchet, against the already struck design.......

    I'm a bit confused when you say 'spread out with no trace of any design
    where the planchet blocked the dies' - there IS design there.
     
  16. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    You got my faces and colors going Fred. I should have made my post clear.:(

    "OK, I believe you but what do error experts call a [different] coin that looks exactly like my OP on the obverse; yet the O/C strike on the reverse is spread out [just as this coin except] with no trace of any design where the other planchet blocked the dies?

    I've never see one like my OP. I have seen the spread reverse of the second strike either:
    1. Fully struck as the obverse.
    2. Fully blank on the spread-out portion of the reverse.
    3. With a brockage on the spread out portion of the reverse.

    The OP coin puzzled me as I cannot explain it and have never seen this; but I'll take your word as to what happened. Thanks!
     
  17. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    There are many many many hundreds +++ of examples of
    double struck coins that have reverses that look exactly like your coin posted.

    It occurs on all denominations.
     
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