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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2354609, member: 112"]What you're trying to explain is exactly what confuses so many people. They look at coins, Proof vs business strike (and PL coins are still business strike) and the coins look different, and there's no arguing that. So they assume that because they look different that Proof coins have no luster. But they do of course because any "struck" coin has luster. And that is because with any coin that is "struck" the metal flows. And it is metal flow that creates luster. It's pretty simple, if the metal flows, there is luster - period. And I'm specifying "struck" here because being struck is the definitive factor. Cast coins for example have no luster.</p><p><br /></p><p>What many people don't get, don't understand, is that there are many different kinds of luster. Perhaps phrasing that differently would be better, there are many different degrees of luster, luster of many different qualities. </p><p><br /></p><p>Another thing that has led to the misunderstanding of luster is that one can look at a coin of a given grade that was struck with worn dies and quite accurately say that coin has better luster than this coin that was struck with dies that were not worn. And like I said, yes, that can be an accurate statement. But what they are not taking into account is the luster on the coin struck unworn dies can easily have been diminished by other causes - dipping for example, or even toning. And since 80% or more of all older coins have been dipped - this matters !</p><p><br /></p><p>However, if freshly struck coins, 1 struck with fresh dies and 1 struck with worn dies, were compared - the one struck with fresh dies has a better, a higher quality of luster than the one struck with worn dies - every single time ! This is a given.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2354609, member: 112"]What you're trying to explain is exactly what confuses so many people. They look at coins, Proof vs business strike (and PL coins are still business strike) and the coins look different, and there's no arguing that. So they assume that because they look different that Proof coins have no luster. But they do of course because any "struck" coin has luster. And that is because with any coin that is "struck" the metal flows. And it is metal flow that creates luster. It's pretty simple, if the metal flows, there is luster - period. And I'm specifying "struck" here because being struck is the definitive factor. Cast coins for example have no luster. What many people don't get, don't understand, is that there are many different kinds of luster. Perhaps phrasing that differently would be better, there are many different degrees of luster, luster of many different qualities. Another thing that has led to the misunderstanding of luster is that one can look at a coin of a given grade that was struck with worn dies and quite accurately say that coin has better luster than this coin that was struck with dies that were not worn. And like I said, yes, that can be an accurate statement. But what they are not taking into account is the luster on the coin struck unworn dies can easily have been diminished by other causes - dipping for example, or even toning. And since 80% or more of all older coins have been dipped - this matters ! However, if freshly struck coins, 1 struck with fresh dies and 1 struck with worn dies, were compared - the one struck with fresh dies has a better, a higher quality of luster than the one struck with worn dies - every single time ! This is a given.[/QUOTE]
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