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<p>[QUOTE="Oldhoopster, post: 5360963, member: 84179"]The sigma machine measures the resistivity of the metal and compares it to a standard for the alloy. Indian (beginning midway through 1864) and Lincoln cents are 95% copper 5% tin and zinc. Since the ratio of tin and zinc can vary, the actual alloy can vary. You need to know if a variable tin/zinc ratio changes the resistivity to the point where Sigma can't develop a standard baseline. Or maybe, there are no detectable differences </p><p><br /></p><p>A couple other things to consider</p><ul> <li>What kind of planchet will be used for a counterfeit? 100% copper is easily available. Is there detectable resistivity difference between 95% Cu and 100% Cu. Assuming Sigma can develop a baseline standard, will they be able to tell the difference? I wouldn't worry about alloys with more Sn and Zn, since you'll start seeing color change</li> <li>Laminations are known to occur in Cooper cents, and that will affect the resistivity</li> <li>"Woody" cents (improperly mixed alloys) may generate false readings</li> </ul><p>I'm not a metallurgist, and don't know if any of these are significant, but any/all of them could be a reason why Sigma doesn't offer a setting for copper cents. I recall reading in their literature that their equipment may give false readings on early US coinage due to allowing methods used at the time (don't hold me to that as I'm going from memory)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Oldhoopster, post: 5360963, member: 84179"]The sigma machine measures the resistivity of the metal and compares it to a standard for the alloy. Indian (beginning midway through 1864) and Lincoln cents are 95% copper 5% tin and zinc. Since the ratio of tin and zinc can vary, the actual alloy can vary. You need to know if a variable tin/zinc ratio changes the resistivity to the point where Sigma can't develop a standard baseline. Or maybe, there are no detectable differences A couple other things to consider [LIST] [*]What kind of planchet will be used for a counterfeit? 100% copper is easily available. Is there detectable resistivity difference between 95% Cu and 100% Cu. Assuming Sigma can develop a baseline standard, will they be able to tell the difference? I wouldn't worry about alloys with more Sn and Zn, since you'll start seeing color change [*]Laminations are known to occur in Cooper cents, and that will affect the resistivity [*]"Woody" cents (improperly mixed alloys) may generate false readings [/LIST] I'm not a metallurgist, and don't know if any of these are significant, but any/all of them could be a reason why Sigma doesn't offer a setting for copper cents. I recall reading in their literature that their equipment may give false readings on early US coinage due to allowing methods used at the time (don't hold me to that as I'm going from memory)[/QUOTE]
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