can i naturally tone a coin, artifically?

For those that say AT and NT are the same because it happens chemically in the same way , I just can't buy it . Why are they doing it ? In most cases either to hide deffects or to just plain make money . C'mon we're not kids , pouring chemicals on coins is just not ethical .
rzage

 

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The theory is based on the fact that we know the difference between being sincere and acting sincere.

Written out on paper, the words are the same words, but spoken, the nuances are different.

Myself, I like little paper envelopes for coins, makes me feel like a traditionalist. I have had mine for over 15 years. No two coins reacted the same.

When I started in 1993, I put together two Whitmans of Mercury Dimes (lacking the two keys). Can't say what did or did not, does or does not, will or will not. Some did; some did not.

I have a couple of cigar boxes that smell herby. Some coins change; others do not.

I put some over cleaned Morgans in a wool suit I never wear. Maybe; maybe not.

I have seen coins from old leather wallets look gracefully aged and other look slimy.

Urban legend has it that a dealer can tone a coin with cigar smoke but I have been behind the counter when someone brought in silver coins and right away I asked "You smoke?" so I don't know about that cigar fooling anyone.

In time, with experience, you get a feeling for AT versus NT, even though you can argue chemistry until you are blue in the face.

In fact: the ancient Greeks used to believe that the better argument was closer to the truth, so they learned to argue well ... and it bankrupted their philosophy.

Spin this any way you want. There is a difference.

Now: can you artificially tone a coin to make it look natural? Semantics and sophistry aside: Yes. How? Gently, as if it took forever... even though it did not...

 

You might as well just make a forum section for this.....or maybe just merge all the threads together. Where's krispy when you need him?

:burger-flip:

 

If it's a copper coin, putting it in your gym socks will tone it to a very nice chocolate brown in a few weeks. Try it with a new cent or token. I have no idea what gym socks will do to silver. Disclaimer, technique does not work very well with freshly washed socks.

 

Wouldn't it have a "suspicious" smell to it?

 

GREAT Point, jello! My Lincoln proofs from last year (2009) are toning like a banshee, even in their OGP!!!
Steve

 

So the questions we need to all ask ourselves, do we like coins with toning (AT or otherwise) or do we prefer coins in pristine condition?
I'm sure each of us has our own opinions.

 

but i think the point is ... if PCGS blesses a coin as NT ... it has a lot more value ... i believe that NT has certain characterisitcs that only happen over a long time ... (right?)

PCGS will just see a coin that was toned in an album over 10+ years ...
they wont know if the coin was placed there by someone with no knowledge of toning ...
or if it was placed there by someone that had the hope it would tone ...
right?

i mean if TPG's make judgement of AT vs NT ...
then if you do something that gets blessed by PCGS at NT ...
then it's all good

GDJ, you yourself pointed out AT coins that had circular untoned spots where someone dropped the liquid toning solution ... and blessed coins with nice warm toning around the rim from an album ... when you blessed that latter coin ... you didnt know if the person placed it in an album by accident or on purpose (with an intention to tone)

 

Only one of my 2009-P&D Mint is toning! the last set I got as year end close out from US Mint

this the LP-3

 

I have some nicely toned '09 cents that I did absolutely nothing to. While its not a few days, its still a short period of time. So I have to a gree with GDJ here.

 

Mine are the S Proofs.. I'll try to upload a pic. Not as eye appealing as yours!
Steve

 

Amateurs can mess up when trying to do AT, that isn't the same as a "professional doc" doing AT. It is easy to see brillo pad scratches on a coin, but much harder to see bristle brush or green thorn use on a coin ( you can, just much harder). It is easy to spot bad AT, impossible to spot excellent AT, IMO.

Jim


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I suspect you were using the word "you" in a general sense, because I don't believe for a second that WingedLiberty possesses that skill, and the process (as I understand it) is quite a bit more complex than it is described above. Respectfully....Mike

 

Creating AT coins that can pass for NT is not an easy task at all. Doug may know some that can do it, but they doesn't make the skills commonplace. In other words, I agree with you Mike.

 

right ... i am just a computer programmer not a chemist ... i dont know squat about toning coins ... i just like the way some of them look (fond of the rim toning. not so much the crazy rainbows) ... but have no intention of paying 3x, 4x, 5x to buy one

i just thought since i have about 40 common mixed date BU morgans MS61-MS63 or so ... it might be fun to experiment with one or two ... not with the intention to sell ... but just to see what happens
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