Can anyone help me identify this coin?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Thesymbolteam, Sep 24, 2021.

  1. Thesymbolteam

    Thesymbolteam Member

    Can anyone help me identify this coin?
    9-10 mm 0.32 g
    I tried to search online but failed.
    I have already reviewed thousands of coin images.
    (The greatest similarity so far is shown by the tail of a winged creature: Leopold VI Pfennig, mint of Enns.)
    Thank you in advance!

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  3. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I don't think its ancient. You might get more responses in the World coins section?

    Whatever it is, it appears to be heavily clipped - you're really just seeing the center of the coin. I usually use the words to help identify it, but they are missing in this case.
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  4. Thesymbolteam

    Thesymbolteam Member

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    They sent me here from there.
    It is possible to cut money.
    But it has very distinctive medal images on it. (but still cannot be identified :( )
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  5. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

    It is definitely late medieval (14th-15th century), I'm guessing in the Germany/Austria region - Friesacher pfennig type. Not clipped and no legends - that was how these coins were typically minted. Makes it difficult to identify ruler and mint without having some depth of expertise. There are a lot of different designs, and it's not really my area of expertise, so apologies if I cannot be more helpful. There may be others in CT ancients that may be able to narrow down further...

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    I'm with @romismatist. It looks a lot like a Freisacher or something from the same neighborhood, as he said. Those were issued back to the later 12th and 13th centuries, but the style on this does look later (not 'better;' just later), which might widen the field just a little --but definitely Germany /Austria. ...No, I can't remember ever seeing this type. Back to @romismatist's point, there are a ton of different issues.
    Here's my only example, c. mid-13th century, for a little in the way of comparison.
    (Bernhard of Carinthia.)
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  7. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    I think @Orielensis @FitzNigel or @seth77 might be able to shed some light on these coins. As a collector of medieval English coins I am completely out of my depth.
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  8. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately I can't be of much use with this one. Besides what the other collegues said, it might also be a mid 13th century Bela IV (perhaps similar to Unger 244?). It's definitely a 13th century coin, with a style reminiscent of the pfennige of Nürnberg but clipped and I don't have much to go on in terms of references.

    It looks like behind the royal figure there is a lion walking right, crouched over to the left towards the royal figure. The other side looks like an eagle facing.
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  9. tibor

    tibor Supporter! Supporter

    Try the Numista website. Should be helpful.
    @Thesymbolteam. You have an excellent command of the English language. I wish I spoke Hungarian as well as you.
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  10. Thesymbolteam

    Thesymbolteam Member

    Don't wish for that!
    Google Translate :p
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  11. Dwarf

    Dwarf Active Member

    The royal figure seems to be sitting on a throne shaped like a lion or a panther.
    The reverse looks like the depiction of a harpiye.
    Although these creatures mostly look different on Hungarian denarii and obols.
    I would advise the German or Austrian forum. There are specialists for medieval coinage over there
    I searched coinarchives for some time (Saturday morning is free!) to no avail
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  12. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I’m afraid I can’t add anything. As soon as I saw it, my mind thought ‘Austrian’ but there is such a large number of diverse types, and I do not have the standard reference for these coins. So I can’t say for certain it’s Austrian, but that’s what my gut says. I checked Frynas’s catalogue of Hungarian coins and didn’t find it (saw some similar designs, but nothing which matched both obverse and reverse). He did mention that the Austrian Friesacher pfennigs circulated in Hungary widely, and that Andrew II demanded payment in these coins rather than his own currency. So if it was found in Hungary, it’s not unreasonable to assume it’s Austrian
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  13. Thesymbolteam

    Thesymbolteam Member

    Thank you everyone!
    I'm going to a forum in Germany.
    I will also try Austria.
  14. Dwarf

    Dwarf Active Member

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  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    When you do identify it, please post the results here.

    Edit to add
    I have a small collection of medieval Austrian and Freisacher coins (cheap and lower grade, but I learned a lot trying to attribute them). I am far from being an expert, but I agree with the others that the style is reminiscent of Austrian issues. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like anything I've seen in any of my references or on line searches. That's why I'm interested in learning the identy. Thanks for posting.
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2021
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  16. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Chiming in late. I can't properly identify your coin, but the reverse type (androcephalous eagle) appears on 13th century coins from Austria and Nuremberg:

    1. Nuremberg, imperial mint under Frederick II, c. 1250 (Erlanger 36):


    2. Austria, Vienna mint, during the interregnum 1236-1251 AD (CNA I B144):

    The series of "Vienna pfennige" is very large and new types occasionally appear. Also, these coins were heavily imitated in Hungary and the neighboring regions. Based on the weight and make of your coin, I suspect that you have a contemporary Hungarian imitation of a Vienna pfennig based on the reverse design of CNA B144.
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