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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 7835614, member: 112"]Regarding the OP's question - since long before the TPGs ever existed, before they had even been thought of, there has been a list of several things that made a coin ungradable. A scratch, a rim ding, a gouge, being bent, a lamination, being holed, filed rims or edge, being clipped or shaved, a planchet flaw, corrosion - all of these things and a few more could and would render a coin ungradable. But, there was also a caveat that went along with, not all, but a lot of them, it was a question of severity, a matter of degree. In other words, this one's bad enough, that one isn't. The entire numismatic community accepted this, agreed with it. And as I said, it didn't have anything to do with the TPGs because they hadn't even been thought of yet.</p><p><br /></p><p>In today's world all of that is still true, all of those things can render a coin ungradable, but there have been a few more things added to that list. Things like harsh/improper cleaning, altered surfaces, hairlines, coatings (lacquer and the like), questionable toning. And, with some of those things it is also a question of severity.</p><p><br /></p><p>As this thread shows not everybody agrees with all of that. But those who feel that way are the exceptions, not the rule. Still today the entire numismatic community does agree with it. And the only time things become questionable is when the degree of severity comes into play, for as was also said, it's a judgement call. In other words, in this guy's opinion it's bad enough, in that guy's opinion it's not.</p><p><br /></p><p>And that brings us to this - </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In point of fact, the exact opposite is true in today's world. The TPGs of today are far, far, more lenient when it comes to judging severity than they were just 15 years ago. As a matter of fact, 15 years ago they wouldn't even put problem coins in a slab at all ! And, there are countless coins that 15 years ago they would have refused to slab them, but today they routinely slab them and give them clean grades. In today's world problems have to be more severe than they ever used to be ! </p><p><br /></p><p>And as for the simplest most basic question there is - is a coin uncirculated or not ? Well even that is ignored most of the time for in today's world a coin with wear, which is the very definition of being circulated, can be graded as high as MS67. </p><p><br /></p><p>Of course that defining line tells you just how much that definition is really worth, for it also means that a coin with wear cannot be graded MS68 - but it can be graded MS67.</p><p><br /></p><p>So much for definitions - and questions of severity ![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 7835614, member: 112"]Regarding the OP's question - since long before the TPGs ever existed, before they had even been thought of, there has been a list of several things that made a coin ungradable. A scratch, a rim ding, a gouge, being bent, a lamination, being holed, filed rims or edge, being clipped or shaved, a planchet flaw, corrosion - all of these things and a few more could and would render a coin ungradable. But, there was also a caveat that went along with, not all, but a lot of them, it was a question of severity, a matter of degree. In other words, this one's bad enough, that one isn't. The entire numismatic community accepted this, agreed with it. And as I said, it didn't have anything to do with the TPGs because they hadn't even been thought of yet. In today's world all of that is still true, all of those things can render a coin ungradable, but there have been a few more things added to that list. Things like harsh/improper cleaning, altered surfaces, hairlines, coatings (lacquer and the like), questionable toning. And, with some of those things it is also a question of severity. As this thread shows not everybody agrees with all of that. But those who feel that way are the exceptions, not the rule. Still today the entire numismatic community does agree with it. And the only time things become questionable is when the degree of severity comes into play, for as was also said, it's a judgement call. In other words, in this guy's opinion it's bad enough, in that guy's opinion it's not. And that brings us to this - In point of fact, the exact opposite is true in today's world. The TPGs of today are far, far, more lenient when it comes to judging severity than they were just 15 years ago. As a matter of fact, 15 years ago they wouldn't even put problem coins in a slab at all ! And, there are countless coins that 15 years ago they would have refused to slab them, but today they routinely slab them and give them clean grades. In today's world problems have to be more severe than they ever used to be ! And as for the simplest most basic question there is - is a coin uncirculated or not ? Well even that is ignored most of the time for in today's world a coin with wear, which is the very definition of being circulated, can be graded as high as MS67. Of course that defining line tells you just how much that definition is really worth, for it also means that a coin with wear cannot be graded MS68 - but it can be graded MS67. So much for definitions - and questions of severity ![/QUOTE]
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