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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2549075, member: 112"]No, not all. That's still punching. Even hundreds of years ago long before the US ever existed the mints in Europe used a combination of punches, both single and gang punches, to create their dies. Usually the central device, such as a bust, was a punch unto itself, and then the rest of the design was created with a series of additional punches. This is the method that was used for hundreds and hundreds of years, including here in the US. All the US Mint did was to copy the methods they learned from the mints in Europe. By definition, hubbing is when the entire design of a coin, (sans the mint mark, and then later even including the mint mark) is created on a reverse die which is then pressed into a die blank thus creating the die. What I want to find out is when hubbing was first used, and where, and by whom. A similar example, I can tell you that it was in 1643 when the French mint became the first mint to employ milled coinage. Which is what put an end to hammered coinage - worldwide.[/QUOTE]