Calling all Morgan Dollar VAM Experts

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by stldanceartist, Jun 7, 2015.

  1. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Hey everyone!

    As I mentioned in my WTS ad, I just received quite a few nice Morgans, and, well, I'm asking for your help. I'll be trying to research whether there are any VAM's in this group, but if you see something you recognize, I'd truly appreciate the help.

    In any case, it will be a great opportunity to practice attribution skills and learn something. I know I will!

    I will update the post as information is gained.

    Here is the first batch of 10 coins:

    1881 S #1
    VAM-22

    *Die gouge (like a bowtie) in first 8 of date, also spikes on the inside of the top loop of the first 8 and to the left of the top loop of the first 8.

    1881 S Morgan Dollar 1.jpg

    1881 S #2
    *First 8 looks doubled on bottom, maybe VAM-2? Actually, I think I may see a die chip in the left leaves of the reverse, which would make it VAM-16.

    1881 S Morgan Dollar 2.jpg

    1883 O #1
    VAM-11

    *Spike coming from eagle's throat on reverse.
    *Reverse Die clash near right leaves.
    *Obverse die clash under Liberty's chin.
    *Obverse die clash near bottom right of cap.
    *Die chip on obverse E of E PLURIBUS

    1883 O Morgan Dollar 1.jpg

    1883 O #2
    *Die crack on obverse from E, through stars, into bust.
    *Die crack below bust, running through lower hair and up to cap.
    *Die crack through cap, from leaves above LIBERTY to field below cap.
    *Die clash on reverse right side upper leaves.
    *Die clash under eagle's neck.
    *Die crack from left leaves to eagle's right wing.


    1883 O Morgan Dollar 2.jpg

    1884 O
    VAM-29A

    *Obverse die crack from E through stars and through date.
    *Reverse die crack from U of UNITED through star and O of ONE to rim.
    *O/O
    *Reverse die crack from right leaves to 2nd A of AMERICA.
    *Reverse die crack through OF, eagle's left wing, to rim.

    1884 O Morgan Dollar.jpg

    1885
    *Reverse die crack from eagle's right wing, through UNITED, star, and to rim.
    *Reverse die crack through AMER.

    1885 Morgan Dollar.jpg

    1889
    *Die chips in 88 of date
    *Reverse die chip in G of GOD

    1889 Morgan Dollar.jpg

    1896 #1
    I believe this to be VAM-1B, Pitted Reverse

    *Reverse die crack from eagle's right wing, through UNITED, star, and ON of ONE.
    *Rust spots by D and L of DOLLAR

    1896 Morgan Dollar 1.jpg

    1896 #2

    1896 Morgan Dollar 2.jpg

    1904 O
    Exact match for VAM-11 photos

    *Obverse - clearly doubled profile
    *Obverse numerous die polish marks


    1904 O Morgan Dollar.jpg
     
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  3. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    The 1884-O/O appears to be a VAM-13.
    1896 #1 does appear to be a VAM-1B.
    1904-O does appear to be a VAM-11.

    I don't see any VAMs of consequence (none are worth a premium for the VAM), but the coins are nice. I like the 1896 #2 toning.
     
  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  5. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Both of the 1883-0 are high 8, which is vam 18, but no images, so well have to either start with vam 9 or 10 . There's images there of the high 8 . Check to see if the mint-mark has something going on too ..
     
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  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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  7. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    You were close on the 1884-O . It help me out a lot ...
     
  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    The 1885 I think will be in the vam 9 area . Heres a real close match ( die crack in the date and etc. ) http://www.vamworld.com/1885-P+VAM-9B Could be a new vam for the vam #9 area
     
  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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  10. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  11. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    The second 1883-O need a better image of the clash on the reverse, I circled it 1883 O Morgan Dollar 2.jpg
     
  12. C G Memminger

    C G Memminger Active Member

    every Morgan and Peace Dollar is a VAM. the question is whether a particular coin is a VAM variety which commands a premium.
     
  13. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    I am totally confused about VAMs...and the numbering system. Is a VAM-5,
    DDO R-I-B in PLURIBUS for example, the same regardless of the coin's date and MM?
     
  14. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    No.
     
  15. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    Now I am totally, utterly confused...
     
  16. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

  17. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    Yes, VAM-29A it is. The VAM-13 listing didn't show any pictures of the obverse to compare to. That obverse is slightly different, apparently. The VAM-13 reverse is the same as the VAM-29 and VAM-29A reverse.
     
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  18. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The VAM numbers simply number the significantly different die pairs for each date and mint mark in the order in which they were cataloged, just like the numbering scheme for almost all other coin series.
     
  19. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Its just later die state, so that is correct .....
     
  20. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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  21. Maintain

    Maintain Active Member

    Why not check out the VAM website for reference?
     
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