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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2657296, member: 19463"]My wife and I enjoy a TV art series called <i>Raiders of the Lost Art</i>. The series focuses on paintings that have been lost or stolen and recovered or things discovered that may not have ever been known to exist. Often we hear tales of restorations, excessive cleanings and various thing I might not think appropriate for something expected to sell for a few million. One I liked was a Vermeer that had been removed from its original stretcher and placed on a larger one with the newly exposed canvas painted in by the owners best Vermeer style hand. This would be a bit like me setting a sestertius in a brass ring and carving it into a medallion. Another case talked about a forger who had been painting 'lost' replicas and 'original' Vermeers fooling experts and high level Nazis (Hermann Goering!). He was discovered when he testified against himself and even demonstrated his ability to paint a lost work because a conviction of forgery was a lesser charge than consorting with Goering in post WWII Europe. </p><p><br /></p><p>All this shows that the rules for paintings and the rules for coins differ. What is the same is that there are more people with money to buy $10k coins or $10million paintings than there are pieces that will satisfy their requirements. We fans of the ancient world would love to have Roman paintings with not so much as a chip in the paint but most of us know better than to accept such things as possible. 300 year old paintings are now at a point that they require 'services' but there are not as many of them without rips and tears as required by the market. Will we be in that place with coins soon? The obsession with collecting only MS grade coins is leading us in that direction as more and more people demand coins that look like they were made yesterday. I only wish there were a magic fluid dip that could wash away the modifications to coins like the OP. I know I would like it better that way.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2657296, member: 19463"]My wife and I enjoy a TV art series called [I]Raiders of the Lost Art[/I]. The series focuses on paintings that have been lost or stolen and recovered or things discovered that may not have ever been known to exist. Often we hear tales of restorations, excessive cleanings and various thing I might not think appropriate for something expected to sell for a few million. One I liked was a Vermeer that had been removed from its original stretcher and placed on a larger one with the newly exposed canvas painted in by the owners best Vermeer style hand. This would be a bit like me setting a sestertius in a brass ring and carving it into a medallion. Another case talked about a forger who had been painting 'lost' replicas and 'original' Vermeers fooling experts and high level Nazis (Hermann Goering!). He was discovered when he testified against himself and even demonstrated his ability to paint a lost work because a conviction of forgery was a lesser charge than consorting with Goering in post WWII Europe. All this shows that the rules for paintings and the rules for coins differ. What is the same is that there are more people with money to buy $10k coins or $10million paintings than there are pieces that will satisfy their requirements. We fans of the ancient world would love to have Roman paintings with not so much as a chip in the paint but most of us know better than to accept such things as possible. 300 year old paintings are now at a point that they require 'services' but there are not as many of them without rips and tears as required by the market. Will we be in that place with coins soon? The obsession with collecting only MS grade coins is leading us in that direction as more and more people demand coins that look like they were made yesterday. I only wish there were a magic fluid dip that could wash away the modifications to coins like the OP. I know I would like it better that way.[/QUOTE]
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