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<p>[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 627333, member: 5629"]You do not know me, and I do not know you. But I have watched your threads at Collectors Society for almost too long to count on two hands now. One thing I have always noticed is that you have a habit of underestimating the average collector, as well as view them as the average investor.</p><p><br /></p><p>Do not confuse a collector with an investor. If there is one thing a collector knows, it is what they like and what they dislike. This is the most important thing...the collector's opinion. And it does not matter if that opinion is "right" or "wrong" in your own opinion...the collector is the absolute expert in things about himself. Thus, the collector is the only one who will be able to determine what is "nice" or "not nice" to them.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Interestingly, there are different standards used out there. In fact, many seasoned collectors and numismatists have their own set of standards they grade by. This in no way means they "misgrade" coins. Is DGS going to grade the same as PCGS? Absolutely not. They use two differing sets of standards. Does that mean that one or the other "misgrades". No, not necessarily.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, they may skew from their own standard, and in that would certainly "misgrade". However, you already know that grading is subjective. That does not mean that grading is subjective so long as it is the same grade you or I would give the coin. That means that there are aspects within grading that would skew our views of the same coin to the extent that it <b>is</b> possible for our two grades for the same coin to be different! That is what subjectiveness is all about, and why some TPGs grade by quorum.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, to call an MS coin circulated because of rub and not circulation, or to call a circulated coin MS simply because it has great luster, yet exhibits circulation on the high points, is what may be considered "misgrading". But, many times when that term is used, I have noticed it is usually, "it's 64..no it's not, it's 63...oh, you misgraded it!" kind of scenario. By the context you used it here, I would have to assume that is exactly the scenario you are using it for.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>But, when you say things like, "I taught the advanced grading class...and saw how dozens...(mis)graded..." has that certain "incompetent morons" ring to it. May not be what you intended, but it <i>could</i> come off to some that way.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Consider the flip side of the argument in the possibility that coins given a sticker that are owned and subsequently sold by companies who share a CAC principle. Now, consider these companies make hundreds or thousands more per coin because of said sticker. The secondary affects would be the money maker.</p><p><br /></p><p>I personally believe it is the simple possibility, regardless of actuality, that brings much of the anti-CAC sentiment. There are a lot to be said for simple possibilities.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 627333, member: 5629"]You do not know me, and I do not know you. But I have watched your threads at Collectors Society for almost too long to count on two hands now. One thing I have always noticed is that you have a habit of underestimating the average collector, as well as view them as the average investor. Do not confuse a collector with an investor. If there is one thing a collector knows, it is what they like and what they dislike. This is the most important thing...the collector's opinion. And it does not matter if that opinion is "right" or "wrong" in your own opinion...the collector is the absolute expert in things about himself. Thus, the collector is the only one who will be able to determine what is "nice" or "not nice" to them. Interestingly, there are different standards used out there. In fact, many seasoned collectors and numismatists have their own set of standards they grade by. This in no way means they "misgrade" coins. Is DGS going to grade the same as PCGS? Absolutely not. They use two differing sets of standards. Does that mean that one or the other "misgrades". No, not necessarily. Now, they may skew from their own standard, and in that would certainly "misgrade". However, you already know that grading is subjective. That does not mean that grading is subjective so long as it is the same grade you or I would give the coin. That means that there are aspects within grading that would skew our views of the same coin to the extent that it [B]is[/B] possible for our two grades for the same coin to be different! That is what subjectiveness is all about, and why some TPGs grade by quorum. Now, to call an MS coin circulated because of rub and not circulation, or to call a circulated coin MS simply because it has great luster, yet exhibits circulation on the high points, is what may be considered "misgrading". But, many times when that term is used, I have noticed it is usually, "it's 64..no it's not, it's 63...oh, you misgraded it!" kind of scenario. By the context you used it here, I would have to assume that is exactly the scenario you are using it for. But, when you say things like, "I taught the advanced grading class...and saw how dozens...(mis)graded..." has that certain "incompetent morons" ring to it. May not be what you intended, but it [I]could[/I] come off to some that way. Consider the flip side of the argument in the possibility that coins given a sticker that are owned and subsequently sold by companies who share a CAC principle. Now, consider these companies make hundreds or thousands more per coin because of said sticker. The secondary affects would be the money maker. I personally believe it is the simple possibility, regardless of actuality, that brings much of the anti-CAC sentiment. There are a lot to be said for simple possibilities.[/QUOTE]
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