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Message:: [QUOTE="charley, post: 6444484, member: 5372"]Many have been cracked out and resubmitted, after an evaluation as a D. The person re-submitting doesn't even know it was a re-submittal to CAC, because the person they obtained the piece from didn't disclose it or didn't know. As long as there are TPGs, there will definitely be a need for a 4PG, to keep the hobby on a level playing field.The meaningful information mentioned, is formed by unequal opinion. There will always be a segment of the hobby that would disagree on any given coin/day. Why? Because every person does not have the exact same vision and knowledge and experience. I described earlier in the thread, what should occur as to professional testing of  TPG Graders. I first presented my position in 2008 on the PCGS Board. I still have never had anybody give a reasonable counter position as to why not. Most hobbyists agree. I also described the exact same opinion in 2011 on the NGC Board. There was, again, hobbyist agreement. But, until the equal playing field and checks and balances of Graders is implemented, by professional testing and registration, that equals the stringent requirements of any licensed profession, and what is best for the hobby is agreed to...market grading or technical grading or making a market grading....yes, the 4PG is not only needed, it is required to prevent the old abuses that were prevalent in the past.[/QUOTE]