CAC order I'm sending in. Which one's will pass, fail, exceed?

Wow. That's a CT I-3 R-7!

 

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I guess this quote can be forgiven if "NON-numismatist" were to the left of your post. Thankfully, I only had to reach across my desk, open the ANA Grading Guide and confirm that this part of your post about EYE APPEAL was totally mistaken. And the uninformed member who "liked" your post may wish to click "unlike."

 

Nope...Your idea of technical grading is the screwed-up version adopted by the ANA by folks who never used it. That was NOT technical grading. In fact, that book screwed up the original, simple, technical system by combining marks and wear using "Choice" and "Typical."

A description of the true technical grading system has been covered several times in the "Making the Grade" column found in Numismatic News. I have a copy somewhere around. One day, if more posts like yours require it, I may look and post it.

 

Well Rick Snow is about to suggest a new easier grading system. Can't wait to see what it is.

Will his include eye appeal? I doubt it

 

IMO, if eye appeal is not considered it will go nowhere. Furthermore, no matter how simple to use and good Rick's new system is, I'll predict it will still go nowhere.

 

Almost certainly since his big complaint is the same as CAC about ugly coins dragging down the prices of the premium coins.

 

not nice

 

You just confirmed what I have heard: "Sometimes the truth can be brutal."

I wonder how many less knowledgeable (than you) members on CT now think "eye-appeal" has nothing to do with coin grading?

 

Personally - I hope a whole bunch. And you might as well stop reading here. Say what you will about me, but I hope people take the time to read both threads and understand what I call eye appeal. Eye appeal is subjective and that is fine to use for what each individual will pay for a coin or what makes them pick up a coin to start with. The TPGs should stick to technical grading and maybe adding a plus or * for those that conform to their version of eye appeal. And most of this topic centers around toning and things like woodies(which just popped into my mind) - to each their own, but tpgs should not punish woodies because they do not conform to their version of eye appeal, and they should not bump grades because a coin does conform to their version of eye appeal. End of story - grading is subjective. Now time to go look at my set up on coin talk.

 

Actually, I respect you for sticking to your opinion in spite of the facts and not running away from a discussion.

@mark_h hopes a whole bunch of less knowledgeable numismatists adopt his opinion concerning grading and eye appeal. That's too bad. He should have stopped there - the uninformed leading the uninformed down the path to silly town. Unfortunately, the post below calls for more corrections...of course made in good faith as just my opinion.

Personally - I hope a whole bunch. And you might as well stop reading here. Not a chance. Say what you will about me, but I hope people take the time to read both threads and understand what I call eye appeal No one cares what YOU CALL eye appeal. So far you have demonstrated that you have not even looked at an ANA Grading Guide or the other guides posted here where that term is plastered all over. Apparently Eye appeal is subjective and that is fine to use for what each individual will pay for a coin or what makes them pick up a coin to start with. Finally a grain of truth - something positive. Yes, eye appeal is extremely subjective. It is like a sophisticated, developed, experienced, "taste." It can be learned and the closer one learns what is considered "good taste" the less they will differ from the standards of taste set by the movers and shakers of the coin business/hobby. In other words, the better your taste the more beneficial it will be for your out lay of money and enjoyment.
The TPGs should stick to technical grading The TPGS DO NOT GRADE COINS TECHNICALLY. Again, you need to study up on what's going on around you. and maybe adding a plus or * for those that conform to their version of eye appeal. And most of this topic centers around toning and things like woodies(which just popped into my mind) - to each their own, but tpgs should not punish woodies because they do not conform to their version of eye appeal, and they should not bump grades because a coin does conform to their version of eye appeal. Perhaps you should write four letters expressing your concern. One to Mark Salzberg, one to David Hall, one to CW and one to NN. End of story - grading is subjective. And so is eye appeal. After you do some studying, and see that a coin's eye appeal is a big part of its commercial grade/value and that eye appeal is in books and taught in grading classes; I for one would like to read that you have modified your opinion just a little.

 

I don't care what the movers and shakers are doing - they aren't buying coins for me. My taste is and always will be blue collar.

I don't need to write letters I won't buy a coin they bumped to higher grade because of eye appeal. I don't care what the market is doing for eye appeal.

Eye appeal can be part of the determining price for the coin - never said it wasn't, but as far as I am concerned not part of my grade. Go look at the PCGS Eye Appeal page - not one coin on there would I bump or subtract because of eye appeal. That pretty stipe of toning does not raise the grade, the clean cheek and luster would in my opinion. Thru all of this you still don't get what I call "eye appeal" - be it toning, luster or whatever it takes to make you pick up a coin to start with - then we can argue grade all day long.

 

Eye appeal is subjective and while personally I don't care for blast white with the exception of occasionally a frosty or pl Morgan dollar I do love color. I've seen coins that were clean as can be ms 65 that are plain ugly. Either the surfaces or the luster or the toning are just plain lacking. I've seen low ms or au coins with great toning that were so baggy or marked up they were totally unappealing I love original gray circulated silver too and much of it is beautiful and much is not. I buy coins on eye appeal. And ice seen so many times where an attractive coin has got the bump from 63-64 or au 58-62. And I've seen way too many problem coins get net straight graded too. I've seen plenty of cleaned au coins in xf 40-45 holders or ugly ms coins in a 58 holder I think what I want most from the tpgs is consistency. Some times they're passing crap left and right. Others they're brutal and a grade or two low on nearly every coin in a submission. Either stay loose stay tough or somewhere in the middle and hold to those standards

 

Very well said! You alone are the master of your purchases.

 

I can't agree more.