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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 470470, member: 112"]He really isn't Ruben. The business aspect is not mystical, but the grading process is. And that's the part you aren't getting.</p><p><br /></p><p>It was touched on earlier, fractional grading - that's what CAC does. They recognized the niche and the need to have that niche filled, so they stepped up and filled it. </p><p><br /></p><p>And that niche is this - there are way too many collectors out there who do not understand that not 64's (or take your pick) are equal. They just aren't and they never will be because there are too many different criteria that make a coin a 64 and not all coins have the same equal criteria.</p><p><br /></p><p>What you are wanting, or saying is needed is more grades. So that instead of having basically 3 grades within each grade, suc as a 64a, a 64b and a 64c - you want to have the 64c just be a 64. The 64b be a 65 and the 64a be a 66. But that isn't the system we have. We have a system where there really are 3 grades within each grade. And so CAC satisfies the need for the collectors who cannot differentiate those grades within grades. They tell you which coins are A's and B's.</p><p><br /></p><p>To me this is really kinda funny Ruben because you are just like all the folks who were clamoring for more grades 25 - 30 years ago - before the TPG's even existed. If you go back a bit over 30 years ago, there was only 3 MS grades. Then we had 5, then we had 7, and now we have 11.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, we can have a company like CAC and stick with our 11 MS grades - or - we can change the neitre grading system again and have 33 MS grades. Then we wouldn't need a company like a CAC. </p><p><br /></p><p>That is until somebody decided that this new 74 was just a tiny bit better than that other 74 over there. And then we would need 66 MS grades.</p><p><br /></p><p>No, I think what we have now is just fine. And Ruben, you can't validate something that is subjective. And grading a coin using the market grading system will always be subjective. Sure, you could valide the number of marks and their locations, you might even be able to validate quality of strike. But you will never, ever, be able to validate luster and eye appeal. Those are the mystical (to use your word) criteria that are all important to grading. And those criteria are entirely subjective and not capable of being validated. No matter how much you wish or claim they could be.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 470470, member: 112"]He really isn't Ruben. The business aspect is not mystical, but the grading process is. And that's the part you aren't getting. It was touched on earlier, fractional grading - that's what CAC does. They recognized the niche and the need to have that niche filled, so they stepped up and filled it. And that niche is this - there are way too many collectors out there who do not understand that not 64's (or take your pick) are equal. They just aren't and they never will be because there are too many different criteria that make a coin a 64 and not all coins have the same equal criteria. What you are wanting, or saying is needed is more grades. So that instead of having basically 3 grades within each grade, suc as a 64a, a 64b and a 64c - you want to have the 64c just be a 64. The 64b be a 65 and the 64a be a 66. But that isn't the system we have. We have a system where there really are 3 grades within each grade. And so CAC satisfies the need for the collectors who cannot differentiate those grades within grades. They tell you which coins are A's and B's. To me this is really kinda funny Ruben because you are just like all the folks who were clamoring for more grades 25 - 30 years ago - before the TPG's even existed. If you go back a bit over 30 years ago, there was only 3 MS grades. Then we had 5, then we had 7, and now we have 11. So, we can have a company like CAC and stick with our 11 MS grades - or - we can change the neitre grading system again and have 33 MS grades. Then we wouldn't need a company like a CAC. That is until somebody decided that this new 74 was just a tiny bit better than that other 74 over there. And then we would need 66 MS grades. No, I think what we have now is just fine. And Ruben, you can't validate something that is subjective. And grading a coin using the market grading system will always be subjective. Sure, you could valide the number of marks and their locations, you might even be able to validate quality of strike. But you will never, ever, be able to validate luster and eye appeal. Those are the mystical (to use your word) criteria that are all important to grading. And those criteria are entirely subjective and not capable of being validated. No matter how much you wish or claim they could be.[/QUOTE]
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