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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2303694, member: 24314"]I like your thinking and the poster who put the photo of a man beating a dead horse. IMO, if a bunch of you were at a table drinking coffee w/that drug (suggested for me) in it; you would reach a final decision on the matter. I believe that everyone of you could be convinced that Uncirculated is a bad term because it has at least two meanings. So when does a coin loose its Uncirculated status? When it leaves the mint, when ....yada, yada. I learned (and have read here and many other places) that the TRUE technical grading system used Uncirculated in a much better way: Free from wear (the prevailing standard in the 1970's). </p><p><br /></p><p>Now, if the guys at the table decided that the past history of the coin did not matter and adopted the "No trace of wear" standard; it should be EXTREMELY easy for them (and anyone else with good eyes who learned what loss of original surface looks like) to decide if a coin had a trace of wear (no matter the cause) now, and each time it was seen in the future! See, those dummies in 1970 at ANACS came up with a very precise system. </p><p><br /></p><p>I imagine no one back then at ANACS gave a hoot about Cabinet Friction, Stacking, etc. (or I believe they would have addressed the issue) because to them (technical graders) any loss of luster on the high point was Friction Wear!</p><p><br /></p><p>Today, the guys at the imaginary table just need to decide on the appearance of:</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Loss of surface from Abrasive Friction Wear.</p><p>2. Loss of surface from Chemical Etching.</p><p>3. Loss from Stacking Compression.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then, they'll need to decide on degrees of the above. How much "Cabinet Friction" removes the coin from MS. How much ...yada, yada.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now let's introduce a coin's value into the equation! HELP!</p><p><br /></p><p>This is what the TPG's try to do at that table. Sometimes they are more liberal on all of the above. Other times they are strict. Bottom line, all experienced numismatists know how to grade for their own needs and heck with the opinion of others <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> It would be nice if we all could agree...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2303694, member: 24314"]I like your thinking and the poster who put the photo of a man beating a dead horse. IMO, if a bunch of you were at a table drinking coffee w/that drug (suggested for me) in it; you would reach a final decision on the matter. I believe that everyone of you could be convinced that Uncirculated is a bad term because it has at least two meanings. So when does a coin loose its Uncirculated status? When it leaves the mint, when ....yada, yada. I learned (and have read here and many other places) that the TRUE technical grading system used Uncirculated in a much better way: Free from wear (the prevailing standard in the 1970's). Now, if the guys at the table decided that the past history of the coin did not matter and adopted the "No trace of wear" standard; it should be EXTREMELY easy for them (and anyone else with good eyes who learned what loss of original surface looks like) to decide if a coin had a trace of wear (no matter the cause) now, and each time it was seen in the future! See, those dummies in 1970 at ANACS came up with a very precise system. I imagine no one back then at ANACS gave a hoot about Cabinet Friction, Stacking, etc. (or I believe they would have addressed the issue) because to them (technical graders) any loss of luster on the high point was Friction Wear! Today, the guys at the imaginary table just need to decide on the appearance of: 1. Loss of surface from Abrasive Friction Wear. 2. Loss of surface from Chemical Etching. 3. Loss from Stacking Compression. Then, they'll need to decide on degrees of the above. How much "Cabinet Friction" removes the coin from MS. How much ...yada, yada. Now let's introduce a coin's value into the equation! HELP! This is what the TPG's try to do at that table. Sometimes they are more liberal on all of the above. Other times they are strict. Bottom line, all experienced numismatists know how to grade for their own needs and heck with the opinion of others :) It would be nice if we all could agree...[/QUOTE]
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