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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2302857, member: 112&quot;]We shall have to agree to disagree.</p><p><br /></p><p>What the TPGs do is not market grading. What they do is <u>value grading</u>. They merely call it market grading so it will be acceptable. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>LOL ! - at the everyone adopting them part. </p><p><br /></p><p>And I think you&#039;ve got it backwards. The TPGs don&#039;t even follow their own written and published standards, why in the world would they follow anybody else&#039;s ? </p><p><br /></p><p>And are you forgetting that all of the people who own and run the TPGs are members of the ANA ? That those very same people all sat down and helped the ANA develop their grading standards ? And agreed to them. </p><p><br /></p><p>As for stepping into the modern world - <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Official-Standards-American-Numismatic-Association/dp/0794838243/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450891942&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=ANA+grading+guide" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.amazon.com/Official-Standards-American-Numismatic-Association/dp/0794838243/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450891942&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=ANA+grading+guide" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Official-Standards-American-Numismatic-Association/dp/0794838243/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450891942&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=ANA+grading+guide</a></p><p><br /></p><p>- that&#039;s the newest edition of the ANA standards, published in 2013 (not &#039;14 as I previously mentioned). </p><p><br /></p><p>This is the newest for the TPGs, 2004, and they don&#039;t even follow it because even it is too strict for them - <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0375720502/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450892881&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=PCGS+grading+guide" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0375720502/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450892881&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=PCGS+grading+guide" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0375720502/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1450892881&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=PCGS+grading+guide</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve preached, begged, pleaded, with the numismatic community for 15 years to establish and adopt a single set of grading standards that everybody follows - collectors, dealers, and the TPGs. A set of standards that remains static and unchanging. A set of standards that acknowledges that wear is wear, and that no MS coin can have any wear. A set of standards that determines the grade of a coin based on its condition. A set of standards where the value, pedigree, scarcity, or rarity of a coin plays no part whatsoever in determining the grade of that coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>But virtually everybody refuses to do that. Do you know why ? Because they <b>like</b> their coins being over-graded. They want their AU coins graded MS. They want their 61s 2s and 3s graded 65, 66 and even higher. They <b>like</b> things the way they are because it makes feel better about themselves.</p><p><br /></p><p>The TPGs give their customers what the customers want, that is their business. And that&#039;s how we&#039;ve gotten to where we are.</p><p><br /></p><p>Let me ask you a question Mike, what would you grade this coin ?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]462841[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]462842[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And no, don&#039;t tell me you&#039;re not familiar with the series. Just tell me what you think of the coin.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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