Byzantine Phocas 602-610

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    This came yesterday.

    SB671PhocasYr2.jpg
    It is 26 mm and 7.25 grams. A follis (M = 40, for 40-nummia) of
    Byzantine emperor Phocas (AD 602-610)
    minted at Antioch (Theopolis, THEUP in exergue) in year (ANNO to the left of the M) 2 (II to the right of the M).
    The obverse features Phocas (on left) and his wife Leontia standing facing. Just in case you didn't know they were Christian, the obverse has five crosses and the reverse one more.

    Show us Byzantine copper or coins with several crosses.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice, Warren.

    My only coin of his:

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    Phocas (602 - 610 A.D.)
    Æ Follis
    O: DN FOCA NE PE AV, Crowned bust facing, wearing consular robes, holding mappa and eagle-tipped scepter.
    R: Large M; cross above, A/N/N/O Ч/III across field; τHЄUP
    Antioch Mint,Dated RY 8 (609/10)
    28mm
    8.7g
    DOC 90; MIB 84a; SB 672
     
  4. GerardV

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  5. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    I don't think that's Focas. The portrait is Maurice Tiberius, and often the legends are blundered on these (e.g. here, which is pretty close to your coin). I guess there's the possibility that they might modify a Maurice Tiberius die upon Focas's accession, but then the regnal date wouldn't make a lot of sense (it should either be the first for Focas, or the last for MT).
     
  6. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

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  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    Very nice follis, Warren. I don't have one with Leontia, is on the list. Here's my Focas:
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    My record for crosses on copper/bronze is 6, on this follis of Leo IV (Leo IV and Const. VI on the obverse, Leo III and Const. V on the reverse):
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    Extending it to include silver, this miliaresion of John I Tzimisces (969-976) has 9! Count 'em: four around the medallion (the bottom one is a "crosslet" so maybe it's 8 and a half?), one starting the obv. legend, one on the crown, one starting the rev. legend, and two pelleted crosses at the top and bottom of the reverse.
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  9. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

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    My avatar has 8 crosses (or only 6 if the things above Constans + Constantine IV on the obverse aren't meant to be some kind of crosses?)

    one on top of everyone's head, one in between the hats on the obverse, 2 in the hands of Heraclius + Tiberius on the reverse and one big cross between them.
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    As you know @Valentinian , I am not very well versed or inventoried at this end of the Roman History spectrum... I only have this one with 2 Crosses...

    BZ Justinian I 527-565 CE AE Folles 30mm 17g 40 Nummi M monogram.jpg
    BZ Justinian I 527-565 CE AE Folles 30mm 17g 40 Nummi M monogram


    And I am not sure this is 2 crosses or a Cross w/ a Gamma
    BZ Justin I 518-527 CE Copper Folles Antioch 20 nummia K monogram.jpg
    BZ Justin I 518-527 CE Copper Folles Antioch 20 nummia K monogram
     
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  11. David@PCC

    David@PCC Well-Known Member

    Yours is in excellent shape. My newest
    b284.jpg
    Anonymous under Constantine VIII/ Basil II
    Mint: Constantinople
    976 to 1025 AD
    AE Follis, Class A2 Var. 5
    Obvs: +ЄMMA NOVHΛ IC XC, Facing bust of Christ Pantokrator with two pellets in each arm of nimbus and holding book of gospels.
    Revs: +IhSЧS XRISTЧS bASILЄЧ bASILЄ, in four lines. Pellet above and below.
    23x25mm, 9.00g

    I count 3 crosses on this one
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    Justinian I
    542 to 543 AD (Year 16)
    Mint: Constantinople
    AE 40 Nummi
    Obvs: DN IVSTINIANVS PP AVG, Helmeted facing holding cross and globus.
    Revs: Large M, ANNO left. Cross above, xЦI right. CON
    35x37mm, 19.09g
     
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  12. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    My only Phocas coins are pretty low end, a 40 and 20 nummi.


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  13. Curtisimo

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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Lower grade coins like mine don't show them as clearly but the DNFO at obverse left removes all doubt about the ruler.
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    The way I see the John, one cross is the overall obverse design with steps at bottom and rising up using the same line as the upside down cross radiating out from the circle. the center of that cross is behind the portrait medallion. If you count the pellets, that is honestly 9.
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  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter lost in history

    Here's a few of my Byzantine:

    Maurice Tiberius

    maurice1.jpg

    maurice2.jpg

    Heraclius:

    heraclius1.jpg

    heraclius2.jpg

    Romanus folle:

    romanus1.jpg

    romanus2.jpg
     
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  16. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    I like that interpretation! :) Then we can get 10, if the overall obverse cross is distinct from the (let's say) four crosses around it. (Includes the "crosslet" at the bottom.)

    I guess he was a Christian, eh? ;)
     
  17. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Here is a recent pickup that I was a bit excited about. It is an anonymous follis of Class A1, but the interesting thing about it is that it has been overstruck on a flan that itself was overstruck. A great coin that shows the natural progression of the various issues as well as putting a timeline on the anonymous follis coinage:

    Byzantine Empire: Æ Anonymous Class A1 Follis (ca. 969-976 CE), Attributed to John I Tzimisces, Constantinople (Sear 1793; DOC A1.6-10)

    Obv: Facing bust of Christ Pantokrator
    Rev: + IҺSЧS/XRISTЧS/ЬASILЄЧ/ЬASILЄ in four lines below

    Overstruck on a Constantinople mint follis of Constantine VII and Romanus I (SB 1760), itself overstruck on a Constantinople mint follis of Constantine VII and Zoe.

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  18. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The first of these 2 coins was struck under Alexius II and is believed to represent the " Last Byzantine Cross". The second coin shows Contans II with many sacred crosses.

    Alexius I Last   Byz cross.JPG Alex TESA       SB 1911.JPG Consts II  O        Constnople.jpg Consts II R.jpg
     
  19. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago Supporter

    Sweet posts guys!!

    I still lack Byzantine examples with crosses but I do have this highly scarce Constantinian follis with a small cross on the reverse;)

    Constantine I/ CONSTANTI-NVS MAX AVG/ GLOR-IA EXERC-ITVS/cross in lower center; on banner/ AQP/Aquileia/ RIC VII Aquileia 124/ R4

    constantine and small lower cross reverse.JPG constantine obverse of cross reverse.JPG
     
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