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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1462080, member: 26302"]I think he misread my comments, but I could have been to blame. </p><p><br /></p><p>Listen, quite a few things are going on. One is some collectors morph into psuedo dealers, buying coins for a price not strictly for the love of collecting. I believe a lot of those who strongly object to my position on "investing" in coins are in this camp. If you are very knowledgable, and buy for resale possibility more than to hold forever, you really are more a dealer, and as such my advice does not apply. I am talking about collectors, who have the bad habit of falling in "love" with coins and "needing" them regardless of price.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am simply saying if you are a collector, the buy/sell spread is huge, coins can be fairly illiquid, and most of the time you are better off investing in "investments" rather than coins. I know many collectors who collect GOOD coins, are knowledable, and are lucky to break even over 20-30 years of collecting. In the same period most other investments have gone up 5 fold or more. Dealers have to make money, and they do so buy collectors paying more than dealers will buy for. Simply economics.</p><p><br /></p><p>I simply caution against coins as investments since it is pitched so often on higher priced coins by dealers. They do it to me, if I pick up a coin worth over $1000 they start talking investment returns, etc. This is a hobby. Spend money on a hobby you don't NEED, and invest in better types of investments. That is my position, and if it upsets anyone then I am sorry. I am simply seen too many trends of ups and downs, and too many people investing life savings buying overpriced goods they will never see their money back on. I would hate to see even one person have this happen to them if I ever advocated collectible coins as good retirement plans. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Chris</p><p><br /></p><p>P.S. Now frame this discussion differently, and discuss the advantages of coin collecting versus most other hobbies, and I will be the first to say we have a huge advantage in that we do have a high residual value if we ever need to sell versus most other hobbies. I love the fact coin collecting is much better this way than boating, car racing, drinking, mountain climbing, etc. We do have a financial advantage over those hobbies, I simply do not feel we have an advantage over true investments with tiny little investment fees associated with them. Can you get lucky with a coin and outperform a good bond? Heck yeah, but I challenge a normal collector to ever think his entire collection can do so.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1462080, member: 26302"]I think he misread my comments, but I could have been to blame. Listen, quite a few things are going on. One is some collectors morph into psuedo dealers, buying coins for a price not strictly for the love of collecting. I believe a lot of those who strongly object to my position on "investing" in coins are in this camp. If you are very knowledgable, and buy for resale possibility more than to hold forever, you really are more a dealer, and as such my advice does not apply. I am talking about collectors, who have the bad habit of falling in "love" with coins and "needing" them regardless of price. I am simply saying if you are a collector, the buy/sell spread is huge, coins can be fairly illiquid, and most of the time you are better off investing in "investments" rather than coins. I know many collectors who collect GOOD coins, are knowledable, and are lucky to break even over 20-30 years of collecting. In the same period most other investments have gone up 5 fold or more. Dealers have to make money, and they do so buy collectors paying more than dealers will buy for. Simply economics. I simply caution against coins as investments since it is pitched so often on higher priced coins by dealers. They do it to me, if I pick up a coin worth over $1000 they start talking investment returns, etc. This is a hobby. Spend money on a hobby you don't NEED, and invest in better types of investments. That is my position, and if it upsets anyone then I am sorry. I am simply seen too many trends of ups and downs, and too many people investing life savings buying overpriced goods they will never see their money back on. I would hate to see even one person have this happen to them if I ever advocated collectible coins as good retirement plans. :( Chris P.S. Now frame this discussion differently, and discuss the advantages of coin collecting versus most other hobbies, and I will be the first to say we have a huge advantage in that we do have a high residual value if we ever need to sell versus most other hobbies. I love the fact coin collecting is much better this way than boating, car racing, drinking, mountain climbing, etc. We do have a financial advantage over those hobbies, I simply do not feel we have an advantage over true investments with tiny little investment fees associated with them. Can you get lucky with a coin and outperform a good bond? Heck yeah, but I challenge a normal collector to ever think his entire collection can do so.[/QUOTE]
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