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<p>[QUOTE="Ken Dorney, post: 2529715, member: 76086"]I know who you mean, I have known him for many years. Nice guy, but our business models do not mesh.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>True, depending on where, when and the situation, all us dealers mark up our coins from either a negative number to a very high number. It just all depends. But, "wholesale" does not really exist anymore, at not as it pertains to most dealers. Sure, there are countries where one can buy directly from those who dug them out of their flower garden, but for the most part it doesnt exist. Wholesale in this instance can be just explained as one dealer selling to another, regardless of any other criteria.</p><p><br /></p><p>I dont know which VCoins dealer you refer to, but honestly, if you have a computer and a coin, you can easily present yourself as a dealer. Many people selling online are just hobbyists and dont care if they sell anything or not. But that is another discussion. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Very true Doug. Some coins simply 'make the rounds' not finding a home with a collector, just a temporary one with dealers. At some point the last person in the chain will lose, and maybe big time. Who knows? It may be that the current $1,000 coin was appropriately priced originally at $50. The market will take care of that, but there will be some hard losses and learning for some.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree. I have lost many dollars on many deals. I dont feel as if I am 'owned' a profit. Heck, when I run sales on my site, I usually lose on many, but profit on others. Its a crap shoot.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I am not sure I agree with you here. It's not my business to make someone lose money, but in some cases that is very true. If a consignor shows me a coin he bought a few months ago, yea, they will take a loss. But if they show me coins they bought 30 years ago, they will take a darned good profit.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ken Dorney, post: 2529715, member: 76086"]I know who you mean, I have known him for many years. Nice guy, but our business models do not mesh. True, depending on where, when and the situation, all us dealers mark up our coins from either a negative number to a very high number. It just all depends. But, "wholesale" does not really exist anymore, at not as it pertains to most dealers. Sure, there are countries where one can buy directly from those who dug them out of their flower garden, but for the most part it doesnt exist. Wholesale in this instance can be just explained as one dealer selling to another, regardless of any other criteria. I dont know which VCoins dealer you refer to, but honestly, if you have a computer and a coin, you can easily present yourself as a dealer. Many people selling online are just hobbyists and dont care if they sell anything or not. But that is another discussion. Very true Doug. Some coins simply 'make the rounds' not finding a home with a collector, just a temporary one with dealers. At some point the last person in the chain will lose, and maybe big time. Who knows? It may be that the current $1,000 coin was appropriately priced originally at $50. The market will take care of that, but there will be some hard losses and learning for some. I agree. I have lost many dollars on many deals. I dont feel as if I am 'owned' a profit. Heck, when I run sales on my site, I usually lose on many, but profit on others. Its a crap shoot. I am not sure I agree with you here. It's not my business to make someone lose money, but in some cases that is very true. If a consignor shows me a coin he bought a few months ago, yea, they will take a loss. But if they show me coins they bought 30 years ago, they will take a darned good profit.[/QUOTE]
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