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<p>[QUOTE="Carthago, post: 2288853, member: 76111"]I actually am appreciative that one of the major coin grading services has a dedicated ancient service that serves the needs of a market that wants their ancients slabbed. I don't like buying slabbed ancients for a variety of reasons and break out any that I do buy, but I think it serves a market desire and probably opens up ancients to new collectors so for that reason alone I'm supportive of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do think their evaluation of the condition of the coin is sometimes quite poor. For those of you who are buying graded and slabbed ancients, you <u><b>must not</b></u> rely on the description and grade on the slab alone in your decision. I have screwed myself royally by believing the slab grade is correct when bidding sight unseen. I want you to learn from my mistakes. </p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a developing case and point. A lot being offered in the upcoming NYINC Heritage auction can be seen in the link below. It's been graded by NGC as Choice XF★ 5/5 - 5/5. I would assume that means it's essentially perfect with exceptional eye appeal because it's got the ★ modifier. As an ancient coin collector, however, I don't know what XF means but I would assume that means EF in English. I wish NGC would use the language ancient coin collectors use, but I digress...</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-republic/ancient-coins-roman/l-cornelius-sulla-felix-as-imperator-84-83-bc-ar-denarius-17mm-399-gm-12h-/p/3044-224006.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-republic/ancient-coins-roman/l-cornelius-sulla-felix-as-imperator-84-83-bc-ar-denarius-17mm-399-gm-12h-/p/3044-224006.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515" rel="nofollow">http://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-republic/ancient-coins-roman/l-cornelius-sulla-felix-as-imperator-84-83-bc-ar-denarius-17mm-399-gm-12h-/p/3044-224006.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515</a></p><p><br /></p><p>This coin has surface damage and I doubt it would be considered EF (if that is what XF means) by most. I think it could be argued too that it's not a perfect 5/5 strike. This coin was sold by CNG last year and described accurately as "Good VF, toned, some old scratches on the obverse." and it sold for $500. On the CNG photo, you can see the scratches on the obverse which are not insignificant for a perfect grade coin. I wonder what type of premium this coin will end up bringing because it now has been vouched as virtually perfect by the slab? I'm going to watch this one for fun to see.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, feel free to buy slabbed coins if that's your gig, but don't rely on the grade. Heritage and most other dealers will not point out something in conflict with an NGC grade if it's higher than it should be. If you buy a slabbed coin at auction, your options to return it are probably limited though you may have a better chance buying it retail directly from a dealer. </p><p><br /></p><p>You will learn the hard way if you don't learn the right way. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]458686[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Carthago, post: 2288853, member: 76111"]I actually am appreciative that one of the major coin grading services has a dedicated ancient service that serves the needs of a market that wants their ancients slabbed. I don't like buying slabbed ancients for a variety of reasons and break out any that I do buy, but I think it serves a market desire and probably opens up ancients to new collectors so for that reason alone I'm supportive of it. I do think their evaluation of the condition of the coin is sometimes quite poor. For those of you who are buying graded and slabbed ancients, you [U][B]must not[/B][/U] rely on the description and grade on the slab alone in your decision. I have screwed myself royally by believing the slab grade is correct when bidding sight unseen. I want you to learn from my mistakes. Here is a developing case and point. A lot being offered in the upcoming NYINC Heritage auction can be seen in the link below. It's been graded by NGC as Choice XF★ 5/5 - 5/5. I would assume that means it's essentially perfect with exceptional eye appeal because it's got the ★ modifier. As an ancient coin collector, however, I don't know what XF means but I would assume that means EF in English. I wish NGC would use the language ancient coin collectors use, but I digress... [url]http://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-republic/ancient-coins-roman/l-cornelius-sulla-felix-as-imperator-84-83-bc-ar-denarius-17mm-399-gm-12h-/p/3044-224006.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515[/url] This coin has surface damage and I doubt it would be considered EF (if that is what XF means) by most. I think it could be argued too that it's not a perfect 5/5 strike. This coin was sold by CNG last year and described accurately as "Good VF, toned, some old scratches on the obverse." and it sold for $500. On the CNG photo, you can see the scratches on the obverse which are not insignificant for a perfect grade coin. I wonder what type of premium this coin will end up bringing because it now has been vouched as virtually perfect by the slab? I'm going to watch this one for fun to see. So, feel free to buy slabbed coins if that's your gig, but don't rely on the grade. Heritage and most other dealers will not point out something in conflict with an NGC grade if it's higher than it should be. If you buy a slabbed coin at auction, your options to return it are probably limited though you may have a better chance buying it retail directly from a dealer. You will learn the hard way if you don't learn the right way. [ATTACH=full]458686[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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