Butt in or butt out

It seems so simple.

 

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good lord almighty, I never suggested it was absolute. Get an alarm system installed, maybe that will work. Than find out why your child was sneaking out, if you haven't already. Who would you blame, if you didn't find out? your neighbors? passerby's, the cop on patrol who didn't stop to ask him "what are you doing out" ? or the grocer at the corner market that heard one of your children was sneaking out? Sure I understand if you have friends and neighbors that are aware of such goings on, they might approach you with that info. To suggest it's the responsible thing for them to do, I still take strong exception to that line of thinking. Your sort of going off the deep end here, it's evidently a sore subject with you. We were speaking about a child, a coin, a dealer and the dealers responsibility. It's simply this, He/She cannot legally contract a sale with a minor. Their responsibility ends there, not to notify the parents that their children are calling about a coin for sale. If the Coin is on a Stolen list, that the dealer has further responsibilities, which still do not include calling the parents.

 

coinman, hope those stong comments were not based on my simple stament where I only meant that your suggestion I quoted was very good.

 

No No, I was referring to Bobbeth. IT seems that the opinion there is that "everyone should show responsibility for bobbeth's children or at the very least have a responsibility to tell him/her what is going on in their physical absence . And do you want me to do windows with that too?

 

I never stated , nor inferred that Raising Children is an easy task. IT IS NOT. But responsibility for what happens or what doesn't happens is squarely in the home. Not the neighbors, joe's fish market or the Coin Dealer your child contacted.

 

You're right, of course, and coinman is 100% wrong. I've never read such nonsense as he has posted.

 

and I am wrong why? You feel the dealer has a responsibility to call the child's parents to tell them their child is calling my store trying to sell a coin? NOW thats just plain nonsense.

 

coinman.....I respectfully ask, are you a parent? If you aren't, then perhaps you may not be sensitive to how hard it is to guide/raise kids to find the right path. Having been there and and still doing that (my kids are 22, 20, and 16), I would be most appreciative of a friendly concerned phone call even if the business owner was flat out wrong with their impression.

The dealer's instinct told him something smelled wrong and taking that extra step out of concern would be appreciated by most parents.

However, I do respect your view Kiss , but I must agree with the chorus of other parents who have chimed in here to "butt in".

 

"It takes a village"....:smile

 

The dealer has no responsibility. However, the original suggestion was to call back and inquire whether or not there was a gold coin for sale since a young girl had called about it. Maybe the dealer will be able to buy the coin. Maybe not. Maybe there is no coin. Maybe the dealer just helped the parents know what their child was doing. There isn't any downside here except in your imagination. So yes, you are wrong. Live and learn.

Also, please answer the question -- are you a parent? Others have asked.

 

look I already stated this before, "it's not easy raising children", but than again whoever thought it was should have thought twice before having them. To live in a fantasy world, where one believes that "WE" are our neighbors childrens watchers is always going to be disappointed. The issue of the thread here, if anyone forgot, is what responsibility the dealer has in dealing with the situation of a child calling to gain information about a coin and or selling it. Thats what the thread is, not bobbeths 13 year old who escaped the window way after lights out. The Dealer has no legal obligation to contact the parents and should not further involve themselves , unless there is evidence of theft. Of Course the dealer won't buy a coin from a 13 yr old. If that attempted to happen, in their store, than the dealer may have a legal obligation to notify the authorities. That's about it. Bobbeth is taking the position that the dealer should BUTT in and call the parents, based soley on a call to his store. Thats a good way for a dealer to get hurt, in more ways than one. People who stick their nose where it surely does not belong, will surely get a headache in return.

Oh also, whether or not I am a parent or not, is of no consequence in determining what responsibility is, and who owns it. The Dealer Does Not!

 

coinman - I was responding to the OP question and to your strong opinions about how parents should be doing a better job if they agree with the "butt in" opinion. Since you more than likely have not raised children, then it may be pointless to try and get you to understand a parent's perspective.

 

Cloudsweeper, your very shortsighted when assessing upside and downside's in this situation.

 

I have a full perspective of a parent, as I raised my two nephews since they were 6 yrs old. Alone I might add.

 

And the downside would be......????

Edit: No wait. That question is too hard. Let's use an example. The coin dealer calls the number and says, "Hello, this is John Smith. I own the coin shop at 123 Main Street. I'm calling because I received a call from this number from a young woman who wanted to sell a gold coin. If so, I'd be happy to appraise it and make you an offer if you bring it in."

Now, explain the downside.

 

there you go, thats the trouble point here, you see no downside. Think about, and get back to me if you can rationalize any downside.

 

I raise two boys. Today , one passed in defense of our country and the other slipped into oblivion as a result. I have a parents perspective. I earned it too!

 

I'm sorry for your loss, but it is also obvious you can't answer. No matter. Just take care of yourself and your loved ones.

 

answer what, your the one who is shortsighted. Can you not see any, any downside to sticking a nose where it squarely does not belong? People are far to busy in other peoples business. As in the case here, where my opinion would only be partly appreciated unless I fess up to my personal business.


Nothing personal. thanks for the comment. But I should not have had to state that fact one way or another.

 

Look, some people here think the coin dealer in this situation should call, and others feel the opposite. I'm doubt very seriously if anyone is going to post anything that would change one's mind. Trying to change someone's opinion of this is only going to result in some people getting upset. I'm not the "thread police" here, but I think this post is very accurate.