Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by John Hulgin, Apr 7, 2021 at 12:39 PM.
dimensions: 19mm ~ 4.9grams ~ 98% silver ~ 1% CU
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not sure if that silver content is right or not for these but I think it might be
Use “Brettii drachm Zeus crab” at acsearch.info to compare
What are your concerns?
This coin came from a collection mixed with genuine and fake coins. I am sending the real ones to NGC, but would like to get opinions before sending the money. Thank you for your help
I don’t want to be rude, but why are you sending for grading? In my experience the vast majority of ancient collectors don’t pay any more for slabs. In fact, many collectors will actively crack coins OUT of slabs.
Yes, many collector's have told me the same thing. When I sell this coin, It will probably be on ebay, and it will be easier to sell in an NGC holder with less room for disagreement.
My feeling is that people on here will assist you to identify the fakes not because they want to help an avid collector confirm their collection is genuine but so to prevent any forgeries from hitting the market and having the coin appear on here in the future. You are essentially recruiting free expert advice without really contributing anything.
This is my opinion only as I have asked for authentication advice in the past for my personal collection. I hope I’m wrong as some may find enjoyment in assisting your business free of charge. Please feel free to let me know if I am way out in left field on this one and I’ll delete the comment.
Yes, I am trying to eliminate the fakes from the real and mark them as fake and send the real ones to NGC. I have learned a lot from this forum, and do try not to waste the time of others by eliminating obvious fakes.
Some people are interested in what I have put up, and some have messaged me asking for more (maybe just to help them hone in on their skills. There are others that seem to get annoyed (which I understand a little bit), but I do feel the coins I have posted are not that obvious, and I do want to make sure.
You are not in left field concerning my recruiting expert advice for free, and it has saved me money on grading fees. I am sure there are a lot of amateurs that have coins that they are not sure about, and are afraid to post them, because the experts get testy with them. I was also hoping it could help those that are not experts, but like collecting to have the boldness to ask if they have one that is questionable.
All valid points, and I have first hand experience with people getting testy in coin shops and forums. I’m probably less concerned about someone asking for free advice and more about someone selling ancients from a coin lot with known fakes.
Just a suggestion, maybe use some of the money you are saving and become a Supporter of CT.
Great idea, How do I do that.
I am often curious about the authenticity of specific coins for my own interest. I don’t mind if anyone seems to have a legitimate question as long as they realize my advice is always worth almost as much as they paid for it.
I will try to do better in weeding out the fakes, but it is not as obvious to me yet this was a collection of several hundred, and I have weeded out many. Your opinion is important, and thank you for your help
I do wonder though that they must receive collections with similar numbers of fakes. My understanding is each has multiple experts who go through the coins, but it seems likely that they miss some.
I also fear that it's inevitable that better fakes enter the market, perhaps even from someone testing coins on us to see which ones we can detect and why. If the fakes are good enough, NGC would slab them and few would ever suspect the encased coin was fake - since they don't read the fine print that NGC guarantees nothing.
So, I am concerned that a collector gathered so many fakes, because it means a great many are trying to reenter the market and, if they're good enough, I'm likely to purchase one.
I understand your concerns. I do not want to see fake coins on the market, that is why I put sizes, weights, and purities on the coins to give all the details that I have on the coin.
I am an amateur in ancients, but not in coins. I know that NGC is one of the best TPG's in ancient coins, and that is why I send my coins to them. You mentioned that it's inevitable that fakes enter the market, yet many ancient collector's do not agree with TPG's. So, many collections get riddled with fakes.
This collection was riddled with fake and genuine coins, and since it was purchased from another dealer, I do not know what the original collector was buying, from whom or why. These fakes are not the easy to identify like silver plated drachms, or the obvious cast coins (in an amateur's eyes), so I do need help. I have been helped tremendously and hope to get more help in the future.
Apparently, Most of the coins I have posted have been obvious to the experts in the field both good and bad. Some even recognized the area in which the fakes were made. That said, I am not casting up my own coins, or trying to deceive the world, I guess I am just trying to pull the gems out of a lot of rough. The rejects will be marked fake and used for my education.
My fears exactly.
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