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<p>[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 3023413, member: 51347"]In my humble opinion [USER=91820]@Blake Davis[/USER] The first Roman on a coin was Scipio on AE issues in Nova Carthago:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]752226[/ATTACH]</p><p>Carthago Nova SCIPIO (Later Africanus) Roman Occupation 209-206 BCE Sear Vol2 6575 Rare</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]752227[/ATTACH]</p><p>Carthago Nova Scipio 209-206 BCE AE 14 Horse Head RARE</p><p><br /></p><p>From FORUMANCIENTCOINS:</p><p><i> The Carthaginian city of Carthago Nova produced a remarkable series of coins in silver and bronze for the Barcid rulers of Spain in the years leading up to the Second Punic War (218-202 BC). The male heads shown on these issues are often interpreted as "disguised" portraits of the Barcids themselves, including Hamilcar, Hasdrubal, and Hannibal, in various incarnations of the Phoenician demigod Melqart. The distinctive features of these portraits lend credence to the theory, though it is not universally believed, and even those who accept the "disguised portrait" theory disagree over which Barcid is depicted on which issues. Carthago Nova fell to the brilliant young Roman commander P. Cornelius Scipio (later Africanus) in 209 BC, and around this time a very distinctive head, with a close-cropped "Roman" haircut and youthful features, suddenly appears on the civic coinage, replacing the previous "Barcid" effigies. This head is quite likely that of Scipio himself. It would have been natural for the Punic celators to switch to a portrayal of the current ruling authority, Roman though he be, and the rarity of the issue in both silver and bronze attests to a brief period of issue, before the Roman Senate quashed any notion of a living person (a youthful upstart at that) being depicted on circulating coinage, albeit outside Rome itself. </i></p><p><br /></p><p>COMMENT: Some arguments state that the coin does not look like the statues and busts of Scipio. Those were fashioned when Scipio was MUCH older and famous. He was only in his mid-20's when he begain fighting in Spain.</p><p><br /></p><p>EVERYONE: Your posted coins are GREAT!!! [USER=81887]@Parthicus[/USER] that is a tough one to get in the detail you have. [USER=77077]@Theodosius[/USER] -Just SUPER. I want that AR! And the Facing Lion is fantastic! [USER=4298]@Cucumbor[/USER] the details are very nice on both of them! [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER] - below... Nice pick-up![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 3023413, member: 51347"]In my humble opinion [USER=91820]@Blake Davis[/USER] The first Roman on a coin was Scipio on AE issues in Nova Carthago: [ATTACH=full]752226[/ATTACH] Carthago Nova SCIPIO (Later Africanus) Roman Occupation 209-206 BCE Sear Vol2 6575 Rare [ATTACH=full]752227[/ATTACH] Carthago Nova Scipio 209-206 BCE AE 14 Horse Head RARE From FORUMANCIENTCOINS: [I] The Carthaginian city of Carthago Nova produced a remarkable series of coins in silver and bronze for the Barcid rulers of Spain in the years leading up to the Second Punic War (218-202 BC). The male heads shown on these issues are often interpreted as "disguised" portraits of the Barcids themselves, including Hamilcar, Hasdrubal, and Hannibal, in various incarnations of the Phoenician demigod Melqart. The distinctive features of these portraits lend credence to the theory, though it is not universally believed, and even those who accept the "disguised portrait" theory disagree over which Barcid is depicted on which issues. Carthago Nova fell to the brilliant young Roman commander P. Cornelius Scipio (later Africanus) in 209 BC, and around this time a very distinctive head, with a close-cropped "Roman" haircut and youthful features, suddenly appears on the civic coinage, replacing the previous "Barcid" effigies. This head is quite likely that of Scipio himself. It would have been natural for the Punic celators to switch to a portrayal of the current ruling authority, Roman though he be, and the rarity of the issue in both silver and bronze attests to a brief period of issue, before the Roman Senate quashed any notion of a living person (a youthful upstart at that) being depicted on circulating coinage, albeit outside Rome itself. [/I] COMMENT: Some arguments state that the coin does not look like the statues and busts of Scipio. Those were fashioned when Scipio was MUCH older and famous. He was only in his mid-20's when he begain fighting in Spain. EVERYONE: Your posted coins are GREAT!!! [USER=81887]@Parthicus[/USER] that is a tough one to get in the detail you have. [USER=77077]@Theodosius[/USER] -Just SUPER. I want that AR! And the Facing Lion is fantastic! [USER=4298]@Cucumbor[/USER] the details are very nice on both of them! [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER] - below... Nice pick-up![/QUOTE]
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