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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3205922, member: 24314&quot;][USER=96635]@Pavlos[/USER] said: &quot;Please use the &quot;quote&quot;, it is really unclear to read like this.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>I cannot even post as a normal member!&nbsp; I tried TIF&#039;s advice and your request and nothing happens EXCEPT the dark rectangle with moving cursor!&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#039;ve copied your post in an attempt to comment.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=96635]@Pavlos[/USER] said: &quot;Fortunately there is something called an &quot;abstract&quot; which can save you some years reading <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I have definitely read some articles about the crystallization of alloys, and no not on google, I hope if you are an educated person yourself that you use other websites to search for scientific articles. Anyway back to the point, I have read both abstracts and conclusions of several articles in the research of crystallization of alloys, I have found not more then &quot;it might be possible&quot;. And this are no alloys of copper and tin, but alloys of around 5 metals, and as I explained before, a specific composition of metals can change the crystal lattice and change it&#039;s behavior completely (but this is not the case in bronze).&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;Your quote: <i>&quot;You can lead a horse to water but he may not be thirsty.&quot;</i>, does not apply here at all... <b>and by the way it is not a quote just from your country, it&#039;s origin is from England and is used in many other countries</b>.... It is a pretty commonly used quote, even I know it as a foreigner.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m glad you edited out how ignorant I am about the origin of this quote.&nbsp; Again, it is a language thing because I did not mention where it ORIGINATED at all.&nbsp; I just paraphrased something that in your words: &quot;...is used in many other countries.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=96635]@Pavlos[/USER] continued: &quot;Anyway, again, this is why I request for the second time, please send me an article where it says: &quot;we have successfully made a crystalline alloy&quot;. Or please if you are so convinced bronze can crystallize then send me a scientific article showing that it can in fact crystallize, I am eager to read it. All I hear is that bronze is so CHARACTERISTIC for cast counterfeits, but there is no scientific research you ever show me this actually happens.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry, I&#039;m not able to send you anything as I&#039;m having too much trouble using this site - let along adding an image!&nbsp; <b>I know what I&#039;ve read and I know what I&#039;ve personally observed and imaged over the years while authenticating coins.&nbsp; </b>So, you can call the obvious patterns anyone can see in metals anything you wish.&nbsp; I&#039;ve got images of acid etched surfaces (leaving patterns because different metals in the alloy reacted differently), cast surfaces, and genuine surfaces on coins of every metal and every age.&nbsp; I&#039;m satisfied that metals CAN CRYSTALLIZE under specific conditions or methods of forming.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=96635]@Pavlos[/USER] said: &quot;You know what, to make finally an end of this debate, I am going to contact David R. Sear, a very experienced numismatist, I hope you think the same about him.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Excellent idea!&nbsp; Note that I ORIGINALLY POSTED that I have not seen this type of crystallization on ancient bronze.&nbsp; Furthermore, I suggested we attribute your coins (not yet done by you here) so a layman such as I can look for other specimens to compare their surface fabric! </p><p><br /></p><p>Hopefully, Mr. Sear will authenticate BOTH of the coins you purchased from the same dealer with identical surfaces.&nbsp; Again, thanks for providing an education for all of us.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; I hope this posts![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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