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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3204924, member: 24314&quot;]Pavlos, posted:&nbsp; I think the fact it are no zig zag lines but parralel lines that it really looks like damage from cleaning.&nbsp; <span style="color: #b300b3">Already answered and disagreed with above.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><br /></p><p>I got a response from Joe Sermarini:&nbsp; <span style="color: #b300b3">Looked him up on the internet,&nbsp; not much to say.</span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;Bronze does not crystallize, so that is not even a possibility. <span style="color: #b300b3">Absolute, uninformed nonsense!&nbsp; See the BRONZE Indian cent that I posted above.&nbsp; THE METALS MAKING UP THE BRONZE ALLOY have separated into homogeneous crystals showing definite patterns.&nbsp; Ancient coins will not look as this does but I wished to prove that BRONZE can crystallize.&nbsp; &nbsp; </span>Other than edge filing, <b>I have <span style="color: #ff0000">never seen </span>parallel scratches or etching on a fake fhat indicated casting, <span style="color: #000000">nor have I ever heard</span> anyone describe parallel scratches or etching as an indicator of casting.</b> </p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <span style="color: #b300b3">Perhaps that is because what you are referring to - parallel scratches - </span><b><span style="color: #ff0000">DO NOT </span></b><span style="color: #b300b3">occur on casts.&nbsp; I have not seen them either! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Furthermore, I have NO CLUE why you think the OBVIOUS <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie100" alt=":wideyed:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> crystalline cross-hatched characteristic the OP has circled looks like a scratch. </span>It is most likely, the result of rough cleaning.&quot; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie49" alt=":grumpy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;I have seen odd surfaces, similar to this, on coins found in fresh water. Still, I think rough cleaning is more likely.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>And other members:</p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;I think the parallel lines [<span style="color: #b300b3">Look again, the pattern is made up of PERPENDICULAR cross-hatching.</span>] may be the result of too extreme use of a wire brush in cleaning. [<span style="color: #b300b3">Disagree 100%</span>]&nbsp; Both coins have bee extensively cleaned, but they look authentic to me.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;To my eye, it looks like the result of acid etching of the surface. The result of a severe chemical cleaning process&quot;&nbsp; <span style="color: #b300b3">This IS one of the possibilities. No one has called the coins counterfeit yet.&nbsp; I have been given the attribution of the second coin.&nbsp; </span><span style="color: #b30000">Aeolis, Myrina AE15 2nd - 1st Century. </span><span style="color: #b300b3"> Now what an authenticator does is look for comparison pieces to see if the fabric is the same. I cannot post images in a timely fashion during the day.&nbsp; It is a computer glitch causing long waits and double posts.&nbsp; So, let&#039;s see what you guys can find. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><br /></p><p>And a response at another forum from a moderator:</p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;If both these coins can from the same dealer, they might have used some type of chemical to clear them which also etched the metal. In my opinion they are both genuine.&quot;&nbsp; <span style="color: #b300b3">So far, that is the correct assumption.</span></p><p><span style="color: #b300b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #b300b3">PS&nbsp; In the link above posted by DesertGem there are images and references to CRYSTALLIZATION of bronze alloys.&nbsp; So let&#039;s please put this part of our discussion to rest!&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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