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<p>[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 3378707, member: 93416"]Afraid nearly everyone with a sophisticated knowledge of this matter thinks the "over time" bit is basically wrong. As, I think, is much in Wiki and that blog cited in the thread - about Troy weight.</p><p><br /></p><p>Variations in weight standards are generally political. For instance was Troyes very probably set at 63/64 of Troy as part of complicated tariff arrangements between England and France. They are certainly not the same, and indeed the word Troy probably has nothing at all to do with Troyes.</p><p><br /></p><p>The word Troy arose at the time Florentine Bankers more or less got control of the English finances after Ed III went bankrupt. They seem to have imposed avoirdupois = US customary (16 oz pound = c. 454g) which is nearly 10% lower than Troy – (16 oz pound = c. 497g) Popular opinion at the time was most likely that the Troy system was the true old system – (brought to England from Troy by Brut). So the name represented popular opposition to the newly imposed light weight standard imposed by international bankers.</p><p><br /></p><p>What concerns me a bit is that I already explained all this recently on CT, but to no effect apparently. Anyhow – there are plenty more details here:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.academia.edu/10433448/Early_World_Coins_-_2015_Revision_of_the_Anglo-Saxon_Metrology_Section" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/10433448/Early_World_Coins_-_2015_Revision_of_the_Anglo-Saxon_Metrology_Section" rel="nofollow">https://www.academia.edu/10433448/Early_World_Coins_-_2015_Revision_of_the_Anglo-Saxon_Metrology_Section</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Which amends this</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.academia.edu/6882687/Coin_Weight_and_Historical_Metrology" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/6882687/Coin_Weight_and_Historical_Metrology" rel="nofollow">https://www.academia.edu/6882687/Coin_Weight_and_Historical_Metrology</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Note that my positions are broadly in line with all independent scientific thought viz:</p><p><br /></p><p>Skinner’s HMSO guide of 1967 (Skinner studied weight for 30 years at the London Science Museum)</p><p><br /></p><p>Connor’s HMSO guide of 1987 (Conner was a Canadian Physics Prof)</p><p><br /></p><p>Jon Bosak in the USA (you can easily google his CV….)</p><p><br /></p><p>Dr Daniel McLean McDonald <a href="https://www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/aboutus/history" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/aboutus/history" rel="nofollow">https://www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/aboutus/history</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Like the others McDonald held similar views to my own on Troy weight, in his case that it was basically unchanged since 700 BC, and probably for a lot longer than that. Note further he left 11 million pounds to Cambridge university to assist scholarship. Lord Renfrew used the cash to set up an archaeological institute - which studied weight standards - where the positions held by McDonald were just ignored.......</p><p><br /></p><p>Cambridge scholars have probably done more than any to undermine our correct understanding of this matter.</p><p><br /></p><p>After pondering these sort of matters matters for about 40 years, I am driven to the conclusion that popular history is largely shaped to incorrectly suggest there were no political disagreements in the past. To suggest, absurdly, that people in the past were just stupid. lol</p><p><br /></p><p>Rob T[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 3378707, member: 93416"]Afraid nearly everyone with a sophisticated knowledge of this matter thinks the "over time" bit is basically wrong. As, I think, is much in Wiki and that blog cited in the thread - about Troy weight. Variations in weight standards are generally political. For instance was Troyes very probably set at 63/64 of Troy as part of complicated tariff arrangements between England and France. They are certainly not the same, and indeed the word Troy probably has nothing at all to do with Troyes. The word Troy arose at the time Florentine Bankers more or less got control of the English finances after Ed III went bankrupt. They seem to have imposed avoirdupois = US customary (16 oz pound = c. 454g) which is nearly 10% lower than Troy – (16 oz pound = c. 497g) Popular opinion at the time was most likely that the Troy system was the true old system – (brought to England from Troy by Brut). So the name represented popular opposition to the newly imposed light weight standard imposed by international bankers. What concerns me a bit is that I already explained all this recently on CT, but to no effect apparently. Anyhow – there are plenty more details here: [url]https://www.academia.edu/10433448/Early_World_Coins_-_2015_Revision_of_the_Anglo-Saxon_Metrology_Section[/url] Which amends this [url]https://www.academia.edu/6882687/Coin_Weight_and_Historical_Metrology[/url] Note that my positions are broadly in line with all independent scientific thought viz: Skinner’s HMSO guide of 1967 (Skinner studied weight for 30 years at the London Science Museum) Connor’s HMSO guide of 1987 (Conner was a Canadian Physics Prof) Jon Bosak in the USA (you can easily google his CV….) Dr Daniel McLean McDonald [url]https://www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/aboutus/history[/url] Like the others McDonald held similar views to my own on Troy weight, in his case that it was basically unchanged since 700 BC, and probably for a lot longer than that. Note further he left 11 million pounds to Cambridge university to assist scholarship. Lord Renfrew used the cash to set up an archaeological institute - which studied weight standards - where the positions held by McDonald were just ignored....... Cambridge scholars have probably done more than any to undermine our correct understanding of this matter. After pondering these sort of matters matters for about 40 years, I am driven to the conclusion that popular history is largely shaped to incorrectly suggest there were no political disagreements in the past. To suggest, absurdly, that people in the past were just stupid. lol Rob T[/QUOTE]
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