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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2430202, member: 112"]OK, let's talk about documented fact. Between 1503 and 1660, 400,000 pounds of gold (avoirdupois, not Troy) and 40,000,000 pounds of silver were transported by ship from the New World to Spain. Those are actual, real banking numbers. And that's just the ships that actually made it to Spain. A great deal was also lost to pirates and hurricanes.</p><p><br /></p><p>To help put that into perspective, this is a list of the ships and what they were carrying that was lost in just one hurricane in 1733.</p><p><br /></p><p>* "El Infante"; "Nuestra Senora de Balvaneda" a galleon owned by the King alleged to have carried 562,509 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 643 marcos in worked silver. The wreck lies on Little Conch Reef. LORAN: 14109.1 // 43266.0 Lat-Long: 24 55.59N // 80 28.23W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "San Jose y Las Animas" an English built 326.5 ton vessel alleged to have carried 30,435 pesos in silver specie and bullion. Lies inshore of Little Conch Reef LORAN: 14108.5 // 43268.8 Lat-Long: 24 56.03N // 80 29.04W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "La Capitana; "El Rubi" 60 cannon vessel owned by the King alleged to have been carrying 104 castellanos in worked gold, 3,200 pesos in gold specie, 5,090,285 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 6,099 marcos in worked silver. Lies between Davis and Crocker Reef. LORAN: 14103.8 // 43276.5 Lat-Long: 24 54.62N // 80 30.65W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "Chaves"; "Angustias"; "Nuestra Senora del Carmen" a 220.9 ton merchant ship, treasure lies in very shallow water just off of Snake Creek ballast pile. Loran: 14098.5 // 43292.7 Lat-Long: 24 55.34N // 80 34.78W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "Herrera"; "Nuestra Senora de Belemy San Antonio de Padua" English built 242.5 ton vessel alleged to be carrying 1200 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 359 marcos in worked silver. Lies near the Chaves in Hawk Channel. LORAN: 14094.7 // 43296.6 Lat-Long: 24 56.61N // 80 35.37W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "Tres Puentes"; "Nuestra Senora de Belemey San Juan Bautista" a 212 ton vessel carrying no known treasure lies just seaward of the Herrera. LORAN: 14093.5 // 43296.5 Lat-Long: 24 52.67N // 80 35.15W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "San Pedro" a merchant nao Dutch built 287+ tons alleged to be carrying 16,000 pesos in silver specie and bullion and Chinese porcelain. Lies off of Indian Key. LORAN: 14082.2 // 43320.8 Lat-Long: 24 51.13N // 80 40.68W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "Herri-Lerri" Others have identified this wreck as the Arizon. Silver coins continue to wash up near the beach just oceanside of mile marker 75 face the ocean and search the shallow waters just to the left of the billboard. LORAN: 14077.1 // 43330.6 Lat-Long: 24 50.07N // 80 42.75W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "San Francisco de Asis" an English 264+ ton vessel also referred to as "Cayo Vivoras". Lies just off Craig Key, still has huge beams in amongst the ballast pile. LORAN: 14070.4 // 43342.8 Lat-Long: 24 48.59N // 80 45.35W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "La Almiranta"; "El Gallo" owned by the King a 60 cannon vessel alleged to be carrying 196 castellanos in worked gold, 3.200 pesos in gold specie, 4,895,216 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 2,579 marcos of "plata pasta" lies in shallow water between Lower matecumbe and Long Key. LORAN: 14068.5 // 43345.4 Lat-Long: 24 48.10N // 80 45.87W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "El Sueco de Arizon"; "Nuestra Senora del Rosario"; "San Antonio y San Vicente Ferrer" The owner and captain was alleged to have carried 24,000 pesos in silver specie and bullion. LORAN: 14053.2 // 43379.1 Lat-Long: 24 46.38N // 80 53.52W</p><p><br /></p><p>* "San Fernando"; "Nuestra Senora de los Reyes"; "San Francisco de Panla"a 328 ton vessel alleged to be carrying 16,000 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 226 marcos worked silver has not been located but is believed to be near Duck Key or Grassy Key at Cayo de Viboras out near Coffins Patch.</p><p><br /></p><p>* "Sumey de San Ignacio"; "San Ignacio" English built 292+ ton vessel alleged to be carrying 12,000 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 696 marcos of worked silver in six boxes located near Cayo de Vacas near Coffins Patch. LORAN: 14038.5 // 43399.2</p><p><br /></p><p>To translate those numbers, a peso was approx. 27 grams of 90+% silver. One marc (marcos) 8 ounces Troy pure silver.</p><p><br /></p><p>And that was just the Spanish ships from the New World to Spain. The ships of other countries also transported large amounts of gold and silver all around the world. </p><p><br /></p><p>So Hollywood is far more accurate than you seem to think.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2430202, member: 112"]OK, let's talk about documented fact. Between 1503 and 1660, 400,000 pounds of gold (avoirdupois, not Troy) and 40,000,000 pounds of silver were transported by ship from the New World to Spain. Those are actual, real banking numbers. And that's just the ships that actually made it to Spain. A great deal was also lost to pirates and hurricanes. To help put that into perspective, this is a list of the ships and what they were carrying that was lost in just one hurricane in 1733. * "El Infante"; "Nuestra Senora de Balvaneda" a galleon owned by the King alleged to have carried 562,509 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 643 marcos in worked silver. The wreck lies on Little Conch Reef. LORAN: 14109.1 // 43266.0 Lat-Long: 24 55.59N // 80 28.23W * "San Jose y Las Animas" an English built 326.5 ton vessel alleged to have carried 30,435 pesos in silver specie and bullion. Lies inshore of Little Conch Reef LORAN: 14108.5 // 43268.8 Lat-Long: 24 56.03N // 80 29.04W * "La Capitana; "El Rubi" 60 cannon vessel owned by the King alleged to have been carrying 104 castellanos in worked gold, 3,200 pesos in gold specie, 5,090,285 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 6,099 marcos in worked silver. Lies between Davis and Crocker Reef. LORAN: 14103.8 // 43276.5 Lat-Long: 24 54.62N // 80 30.65W * "Chaves"; "Angustias"; "Nuestra Senora del Carmen" a 220.9 ton merchant ship, treasure lies in very shallow water just off of Snake Creek ballast pile. Loran: 14098.5 // 43292.7 Lat-Long: 24 55.34N // 80 34.78W * "Herrera"; "Nuestra Senora de Belemy San Antonio de Padua" English built 242.5 ton vessel alleged to be carrying 1200 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 359 marcos in worked silver. Lies near the Chaves in Hawk Channel. LORAN: 14094.7 // 43296.6 Lat-Long: 24 56.61N // 80 35.37W * "Tres Puentes"; "Nuestra Senora de Belemey San Juan Bautista" a 212 ton vessel carrying no known treasure lies just seaward of the Herrera. LORAN: 14093.5 // 43296.5 Lat-Long: 24 52.67N // 80 35.15W * "San Pedro" a merchant nao Dutch built 287+ tons alleged to be carrying 16,000 pesos in silver specie and bullion and Chinese porcelain. Lies off of Indian Key. LORAN: 14082.2 // 43320.8 Lat-Long: 24 51.13N // 80 40.68W * "Herri-Lerri" Others have identified this wreck as the Arizon. Silver coins continue to wash up near the beach just oceanside of mile marker 75 face the ocean and search the shallow waters just to the left of the billboard. LORAN: 14077.1 // 43330.6 Lat-Long: 24 50.07N // 80 42.75W * "San Francisco de Asis" an English 264+ ton vessel also referred to as "Cayo Vivoras". Lies just off Craig Key, still has huge beams in amongst the ballast pile. LORAN: 14070.4 // 43342.8 Lat-Long: 24 48.59N // 80 45.35W * "La Almiranta"; "El Gallo" owned by the King a 60 cannon vessel alleged to be carrying 196 castellanos in worked gold, 3.200 pesos in gold specie, 4,895,216 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 2,579 marcos of "plata pasta" lies in shallow water between Lower matecumbe and Long Key. LORAN: 14068.5 // 43345.4 Lat-Long: 24 48.10N // 80 45.87W * "El Sueco de Arizon"; "Nuestra Senora del Rosario"; "San Antonio y San Vicente Ferrer" The owner and captain was alleged to have carried 24,000 pesos in silver specie and bullion. LORAN: 14053.2 // 43379.1 Lat-Long: 24 46.38N // 80 53.52W * "San Fernando"; "Nuestra Senora de los Reyes"; "San Francisco de Panla"a 328 ton vessel alleged to be carrying 16,000 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 226 marcos worked silver has not been located but is believed to be near Duck Key or Grassy Key at Cayo de Viboras out near Coffins Patch. * "Sumey de San Ignacio"; "San Ignacio" English built 292+ ton vessel alleged to be carrying 12,000 pesos in silver specie and bullion, 696 marcos of worked silver in six boxes located near Cayo de Vacas near Coffins Patch. LORAN: 14038.5 // 43399.2 To translate those numbers, a peso was approx. 27 grams of 90+% silver. One marc (marcos) 8 ounces Troy pure silver. And that was just the Spanish ships from the New World to Spain. The ships of other countries also transported large amounts of gold and silver all around the world. So Hollywood is far more accurate than you seem to think.[/QUOTE]
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