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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1074194, member: 15309"]How about showing me an example of a coin that bears a mint state grade but has obvious wear from circulation. Are you claiming to not have access to Heritage archives?</p><p><br /></p><p>I read the article and it seems that Farazzi is a proponent of Doug's grading method in which wear is wear and any coin with wear should not be graded as an uncirculated coin. His examples are gold coins which are commonly found with roll friction. And with the exception of one word in the entire article, he seems to be talking about market grading coins with roll friction as uncirculated. Let's look at a few passages shall we.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In this passage, he is obviously talking about roll friction. The TPG's also state that age, design, and alloy are key factors regarding how likely they are to market grade coins with roll/cabinet friction. But later in the article, he writes:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is the only passage in the whole article that leads me to believe that he is saying it is acceptable to grade circulated coins as mint state. If you change the word "circulation" to "friction" however, it reads like he is talking about roll friction. Notice that he states you can ignore loss of detail on the high points which is where roll friction occurs. Nowhere in this article does he say that friction and the associated loss of luster in the fields is acceptable.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I renew my request. If so many circulated coins have been graded as mint state coins by the TPG's, then it should be easy for you to show us an example of one from the Heritage archives. I have posted an example of an AU coin graded within the last few years that dispels the myth that you and Doug are propagating. I have also posted an example of a coin that has wear (roll friction) and resides in a mint state holder. I have also explained the reason why it is necessary to grade coins with "roll" friction as mint state coins. However, I have not seen one example a grading injustice posted by anyone in this thread. And after you find one, perhaps you can tell us how long it took you to search the Heritage archives to find it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1074194, member: 15309"]How about showing me an example of a coin that bears a mint state grade but has obvious wear from circulation. Are you claiming to not have access to Heritage archives? I read the article and it seems that Farazzi is a proponent of Doug's grading method in which wear is wear and any coin with wear should not be graded as an uncirculated coin. His examples are gold coins which are commonly found with roll friction. And with the exception of one word in the entire article, he seems to be talking about market grading coins with roll friction as uncirculated. Let's look at a few passages shall we. In this passage, he is obviously talking about roll friction. The TPG's also state that age, design, and alloy are key factors regarding how likely they are to market grade coins with roll/cabinet friction. But later in the article, he writes: This is the only passage in the whole article that leads me to believe that he is saying it is acceptable to grade circulated coins as mint state. If you change the word "circulation" to "friction" however, it reads like he is talking about roll friction. Notice that he states you can ignore loss of detail on the high points which is where roll friction occurs. Nowhere in this article does he say that friction and the associated loss of luster in the fields is acceptable. Now I renew my request. If so many circulated coins have been graded as mint state coins by the TPG's, then it should be easy for you to show us an example of one from the Heritage archives. I have posted an example of an AU coin graded within the last few years that dispels the myth that you and Doug are propagating. I have also posted an example of a coin that has wear (roll friction) and resides in a mint state holder. I have also explained the reason why it is necessary to grade coins with "roll" friction as mint state coins. However, I have not seen one example a grading injustice posted by anyone in this thread. And after you find one, perhaps you can tell us how long it took you to search the Heritage archives to find it.[/QUOTE]
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