Brain Teaser Thursday

I really blew it. I could not find the answer listed for Continental Shelf depicting the Continental Slope and Rise.

 

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So what good did edited explanation do you if you can't find what edited he's referring to?

 

My question is how can "flat and shelf like" appear on a doubled die? "Flat and shelf like" is usually the standout diagnostic for machine doubling, but not a doubled die. So can anyone explain how a strong "flat and shelf like" appearance can occur on a doubled die, as attributed by the OP?

 

I thought lighting because I have seen optical illusions resembling doubling and tripling when photographing or observing through plastic holders. Some cheap plastic can distort the object if it is tilted somewhat. And the coin you were showing had a little tilt to it. So, there is the root of my guess. Thanks for the feedback.

 

That's because it's strike doubled, it took some bad hops. Look at this area, it's quadruple-hopped...

 

Momma said there would be days like this momma said, "I do not know."

 

Edited

 

Please show us a reference to this Variety. @Insider
This is classic MD as the doubling is flat and shelf like and only shows on the rim side of the devices. There aren't any split serifs on this example, and any doubling like this will also have seperation lines, there aren't any. The final reason is that the doubling consecutively falls into lower relief, doubled dies are the same in relief as the original.

Again this is not a TDO.

 

eddiespin posted: "That's because it's strike doubled, it took some bad hops. Look at this area, it's quadruple-hopped." [Good eye eddie! Quite possible. I'll look at the coin. That would make it a quadrupled die. ]

There is a saying dealing with horses and water. Horses are not as dumb as some folks think. I've helped a trainer with two for the show ring. So for for now, unless some other member wants to get you and _"0"_ to drink, I'm going to let you both die of thirst. I'll check back later. Right now, I'm going to the pool!

Pickin and Grinin posed: "Please show us a reference to this Variety."

This is classic MD as the doubling is flat and shelf like and only shows on the rim side of the devices. There aren't any split serifs on this example, and any doubling like this will also have seperation lines, there aren't any. The final reason is that the doubling consecutively falls into lower relief, doubled dies are the same in relief as the original."

Three horses working together is called a "team." You three make a good team.

Now, go educate yourself. The answer to your question was posted in the thread by others. Look up "tripled die" on the Internet or check out the Oregon Trail 50c in the Cherrypickers Guide. Then report back what you found after taking a long drink.

 

Aside from the controversy, it's a keeper, for sure, for its uniqueness. I've a wheat cent that's a one-of-a-kind striking abnormality. It's one of our favorites, better than some of our doubled dies. Things were flying like pots and pans when it was struck. This one fits into that category. It's strike doubling you just don't come across. That's still how I have it, anyway. We can agree to disagree, I won't kick you.

 

The classic "You're wrong, I (the self-proclaimed genius/expert numismatist and really good teacher) am right and you're just too stupid to know you're wrong" way of teaching. I learned a lot.

 

There is one thing here Insider. You grade and restore coins, and have much knowledge in counterfiet detection.
I and others here are fully aware of what Doubled and tripled dies are. This doubling does not follow any of the characteristics of a doubled die "tripled die" Even a class ll
Variety's are my main category to collect, and I do not know why they are calling it a TDO. Yes, it a tripled image, which is exactly what the CPG calls it. I would imagine that they are calling this one a Class ll doubled die, which is distorted die doubling that forms either to the rim or to the center. The one problem is that each of the doublings is lower in relief than the next. Flat and shelf like isn't a characteristic of a doubled die. It can still be called a variety though.
I would have to see one in hand, Every class ll doubled die I have ever seen is in the same relief as the original devices.
I question this as a TDO, simple as that. Quite a few coins make it as a variety.

 

Look at this tripled cent. Look what Mike Diamond calls it...

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=374655

 

Both the obverse and reverse of that coin show "tripling". No way would the obverse AND the reverse dies both be tripled (is there?)! Machine doubling for sure.

 

You didn’t read what Mike said. Here’s the screenshot of it...

 

It’s tripled but struck-up that way, it’s not a tripled die. That’s what we said about this tripling on this coin.

 

Just on this parenthetical question, that would be very, very coincidental, as the two dies are independent events. Both would have had to have been doubled when hubbed then paired in the coining machine. They both could impart strike doubling, though.

 

I read it...even quoted it ""Machine Doubling" for sure!"

 

I know...I agreed with that assessment.

 

I kinda got that when I re-read it. Ah well. I took it too fast around the track the first time around.