Box Checking - L. Plautius Plancus Denarius

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  1. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    You know I love yours, @TIF, but just in case you didn't get the memo...
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  3. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    The reverse type is usually as big as the flan, making off-centering often cut off something important like a horse's head, which I think happens more than half the time. In this thread we have been shown excellent examples.
    Cr453s1aSR429o60.JPG Cr453s1aSR429r60.JPG
    There seem to be two varieties, one with clear snakes at the ears of Medusa (Doug's #2) and those without (Doug's #1 and the OP). This one, and some of the others in this thread, have the snakes.
     
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  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    i LOVE that reverse!
     
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  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I agree... awesome subject for the reverse, and well executed. I want this one for my collection.

    It is reminiscent of my Etrurian... In fact when I first opened @zumbly 's thread, I thought WOW, he got an Etrurian 20 As!
    Etruria Populonia 3rd C BCE AR 20 As 8-1g Metus Blank HN 152 Obv-Rev.jpg
    Etruria, Populonia
    3rd Century BCE
    Silver 20-Asses (I akin to a Greek Didrachm, Carthage Shekel, or 2 Roman Denarii)
    8.1g, ovoid 16.6mm x 20mm
    Obv: Facing head of Metus, hair bound with a diadem, X:X below
    Rev blank
    Sambon 47; HN Italy 152

    Metus was the Etrurian name of the similar Greek God Deimos or fear or terror.
     
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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    As mentioned earlier in my shameless effort to get each of you to buy more than one of these coins, there are variations. Banti lists a few legend variations abbreviating the name Plavtivs but many lower grade coins are not terribly clear on the letters so some will be hard to place. More interesting to me is the statement in Banti, "The face can be smiling or sneering." That is a fact. In fact, there are many expressions shown on various dies. The ones with snakes seem to be a bit more bland and less individual than some of the snakeless ones. Some of the snakeless dies have really great faces. My favorite is the sneering monster Banti calls 21/2 (A. M.u.M. 38, 1968 Collez. Voirol n. 230. I would love to have a coin of that die. I, then, would need a nice smiler, a pair with really large and really small Medusa heads and a few (dozen) in between showing the variations available on the coin. Oh, Banti showed 37 coins and seems to have a nice variety so maybe I should not be greedy and want more than that. CRRO shows over 90 with many cuties but failed to change their descriptions to recognize the fact not all have snakes. Maybe they don't need that many???:rolleyes:
    http://numismatics.org/crro/results?q=453
     
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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    As great as that link is, it's probably the 67 shown in CNG's sale archives that are the ones we're likely to see come back onto the market. And for those of us still shopping for one (or two or more :D), it shows that while the assortment of smilers and sneerers, big heads and small heads will come up if one is patient, you'll still have a problem if you want a decent reverse to go along with the Medusa. A troublesome issue to collect!
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    How many dies are known?
     
  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Crawford recorded 195 obverse dies and 217 reverse dies (all varieties lumped together in these numbers).
     
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  10. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Sorry for the bump, but the red hue of the original pictures were so wrong that I just had to take new ones. The colours here are more true to the coin.

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  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    There was one of these for sale on the bay, but it was in such poor condition, I had to pass on it. One of these days......

    BTW, nice re-shoot.
     
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  12. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Thanks. That's what I say about that Fonteius galley denarius with the jugate heads... One of these days... I'm going to get Bing's. Oops! I mean, one like Bing's. :D
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Well, here's a deal for ya. Just like Wimpy in Popeye cartoons, I'll leave my Fonteius to you in my will in exchange for your Plautius Plancus now.
     
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