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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GrizzlyGold, post: 1733388, member: 55226&quot;]OK, just so you know, I have no pride of ownership in this coin.&nbsp; Also, I&#039;m not a typical penny-poker.&nbsp; I see a lot of rare coins, and plenty more not-so-rare coins.&nbsp; When I first talked to the guy who owns it, I was in the same place as all of you:&nbsp; It&#039;s got to be PMD.&nbsp; I would just assume it be PMD, so I can buy it cheap.&nbsp; However, through objective analysis, I am not yet convinced it is post-mint.&nbsp; And, as much as I&#039;d like to take your word, what I&#039;d really like is for someone to convince me beyond a doubt that this is not a mint error.&nbsp; So far, you&#039;re failing me.&nbsp; I&#039;d like an expert explanation of how the dies and minting works, and why then, this could NOT be from the mint.&nbsp; Or, in the least, follow my lines of reason, and disprove me with a solid understanding of the common laws of physics.</p><p><br /></p><p>If it is post-mint, I agree, it would have to be vice related.&nbsp; But this is why I&#039;m still not convinced:</p><p><br /></p><p>Look at the wheat ears.&nbsp; They are near-perfect.&nbsp; </p><p>If this was done in a vice, and you pressed one coin into another, I would expect the reverse of this coin to be marred by the obverse of the other coin.&nbsp; This is not the case.&nbsp; The wheat ears and reverse design is not flattened or marred.&nbsp; I don&#039;t believe the mirror image of the obverse to be caused by another coin pressing into the reverse, otherwise you would be damaging / flattening the wheat-back design in some way.</p><p><br /></p><p>The blank side has no remnants of a design.&nbsp; There is evidence that this did start out as a rimmed planchet (see left of blank side).&nbsp; There is not evidence of there ever being a design on the blank side.&nbsp; If you put this in a vice, and had enough pressure/force to completely flatten a once normal coin to the point of no trace of a design ever being present, why then, is the other side of the coin otherwise flawless, except for the mirrored ghosting?&nbsp; It goes against the laws of physics, unless you are pressing down on the coin with the inverse of the design, ie, a die.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>OK, so if not a vice, then a grinder?&nbsp; I really don&#039;t think so.&nbsp; It weighs exactly what a standard copper penny weighs, and if you&#039;re grinding a penny, why does it look mushed?</p><p><br /></p><p>If I&#039;m wrong, please be more convincing in disproving me.&nbsp; Give it some thought.&nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp; I really do appreciate a thoughtful discussion here.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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