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<p>[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 8322172, member: 84744"]Interesting discussion, [USER=84905]@Tejas[/USER]! Those are three beauties that you won. I think especially the Maximus was a great price too!</p><p><br /></p><p>I expect we'll probably have to agree to disagree on coin values, though. I'm skeptical of both of the following points you make:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>While it's true each ancient coin is unique, there are plenty of true generalizations regarding quality. Other things being equal ("ceteris paribus"), a higher grade coin is better than a lower grade coin, a well-centred coin is better than a poorly centred-coin, a consistent patina is better than a mottled one, a genuine patina is better than an artificial one, and on and on. Of course, individual collectors will value these things differently in comparison with one another, but these true generalizations are enough to ground reasonably objective fair values. Averaging over collectors, there will be a fairly consistent ordering of coins from less to more valuable. Which means that while <i>particular</i> auction results aren't good indicators of value, aggregate results over time are. (Thus the success of Coin Archives and acsearch.)</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, I think we'd probably all agree that your new Maximus is nicer than mine! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Because it <i>is</i> objectively nicer and worth more than mine. And there will be plenty of cases much more obvious than this.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1474354[/ATTACH] </p><p>(FYI this coin cost me USD 264 including fees back in 2015, which I thought was fair at the time.)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Well, I certainly don't, and I don't know anyone (other than you?) who does! (Except for some narrow specialists who needn't look at very many coins in any particular auction.) In any case, note that you inserted the word "major"... if we include all auctions, there's no way this is true. So some variation in price – I think a large amount! – is inevitably due to the chancy matter of who's attending, what they're interested in, and how much money they have. We've all had the experience of lucking into a cheap coin through the lack of any interested underbidder, as well as the opposite when there's a bidder who is clearly intent on getting the coin no matter what. (This can even happen for the same coin a couple weeks apart!)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 8322172, member: 84744"]Interesting discussion, [USER=84905]@Tejas[/USER]! Those are three beauties that you won. I think especially the Maximus was a great price too! I expect we'll probably have to agree to disagree on coin values, though. I'm skeptical of both of the following points you make: While it's true each ancient coin is unique, there are plenty of true generalizations regarding quality. Other things being equal ("ceteris paribus"), a higher grade coin is better than a lower grade coin, a well-centred coin is better than a poorly centred-coin, a consistent patina is better than a mottled one, a genuine patina is better than an artificial one, and on and on. Of course, individual collectors will value these things differently in comparison with one another, but these true generalizations are enough to ground reasonably objective fair values. Averaging over collectors, there will be a fairly consistent ordering of coins from less to more valuable. Which means that while [I]particular[/I] auction results aren't good indicators of value, aggregate results over time are. (Thus the success of Coin Archives and acsearch.) For example, I think we'd probably all agree that your new Maximus is nicer than mine! :D Because it [I]is[/I] objectively nicer and worth more than mine. And there will be plenty of cases much more obvious than this. [ATTACH=full]1474354[/ATTACH] (FYI this coin cost me USD 264 including fees back in 2015, which I thought was fair at the time.) Well, I certainly don't, and I don't know anyone (other than you?) who does! (Except for some narrow specialists who needn't look at very many coins in any particular auction.) In any case, note that you inserted the word "major"... if we include all auctions, there's no way this is true. So some variation in price – I think a large amount! – is inevitably due to the chancy matter of who's attending, what they're interested in, and how much money they have. We've all had the experience of lucking into a cheap coin through the lack of any interested underbidder, as well as the opposite when there's a bidder who is clearly intent on getting the coin no matter what. (This can even happen for the same coin a couple weeks apart!)[/QUOTE]
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