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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Curtis, post: 8287534, member: 26430&quot;]Yup, that&#039;s the one! That and -- very confusingly -- Monogram 1045 (both are <i>slightly</i> wrong, but I believe both mistakenly cataloged the same types or even the same exact coins): <a href="http://numismatics.org/pella/symbol/monogram.price.1045" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/pella/symbol/monogram.price.1045" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/pella/symbol/monogram.price.1045</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I think Price Monograms 1045 and 1486 are based on the same coins, but both drawn incorrectly (<a href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2712" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2712" rel="nofollow">the ANS examples and the Belin coin shown in Pella</a> – ANS is what Price cites – have the bars horizontal to the sides on the left monogram, like mine and the supposed 818 specimens AND 2712 specimens).</p><p><br /></p><p>Any differences from variant to variant seem to actually be in the <i>right</i> monograms (i.e. under the throne). (PELLA has those ones &quot;even more wrong,&quot; I think.) PELLA&#039;s Price 818, 819, 2712, 2712A, 2713 are linked at the bottom. I think 818 &amp; 819 are actually the same as the 2712ff categories. Just for more confusion, one of the PELLA Price 2712 examples should be Price 2711 (no monogram to left); but PELLA&#039;s Price 2711 entry is the only one that <i>may have </i>gotten the right/throne monogram correct! (<a href="https://numismatics.org/pella/results?q=symbol_rev_beneathThrone_facet:%22http://numismatics.org/symbolimages/pella/monogram.price.161.svg%7CPrice%20Monogram%20161%22" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://numismatics.org/pella/results?q=symbol_rev_beneathThrone_facet:%22http://numismatics.org/symbolimages/pella/monogram.price.161.svg%7CPrice%20Monogram%20161%22" rel="nofollow">Price Monogram 161</a>.)</p><p><br /></p><p>For the left monogram (1045 or 1486), the horizontal bar shouldn&#039;t be at the base (or completely absent) but higher up the circle. More like this (my own edit of the 1045 / 1486 monograms given by ANS-PELLA):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1464508[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are the excerpts from Price&#039;s table for 818-9 and 2712-3. Notice that none of them actually get the monogram correct (the horizontal bar isn&#039;t at the base, but part way up the circle, or a little less):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1464506[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Neither transcription of the left monogram in Price is quite right, 818-9 or 2712ff. Also the right monograms (beneath throne) given by Thompson for Armenak don&#039;t really match Price’s monograms...</p><p><br /></p><p>Below is a revealing little excerpt from Thompson, building also on ET Newell&#039;s prior work, where Price likely got the Armenak info from. (I believe they were actually also the ANS coins Price cited for 2712, since the Armenaks ended up in ANS, via Newell.) Her report doesn&#039;t illustrate those particular examples, but Price may have seen additional photos not included for Armenak; and I assume he saw the ANS&#039; actual coins (or photos of them).</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe that&#039;s where the confusion started (these should be his 818 and 819, which he cites as Armenak, but he gets the <i>throne/right</i> monograms&nbsp; wrong for 818-819-Armenak, and actually uses Thompson&#039;s 2nd example for his 2712):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1464507[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>VERY CONFUSING!!!</p><p><br /></p><p>It doesn&#039;t help that PELLA gets 818 wrong!</p><p>See also:</p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.818" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.818" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.818</a></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.819" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.819" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.819</a></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2712" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2712" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2712</a></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2712A" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2712A" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2712A</a></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2713" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2713" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2713</a></p><p><br /></p><p>For correct right/throne monogram:</p><p><a href="https://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2711" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2711" rel="nofollow">https://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.2711</a></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/pella/symbol/monogram.price.161" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/pella/symbol/monogram.price.161" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/pella/symbol/monogram.price.161</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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