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Message:: [QUOTE="Marshall, post: 3084564, member: 21705"]If you want a system that doesn't work, then by all means use shills and allow unlimited cancellations by sellers. I honor my bids and expect the sellers to as well. I expect sellers to ignore the effects of shills who refuse to pay and I expect eBay to deal with those buyers just as I expect them to deal with the seller who uses the information provided by a shill (whether a co-conspirator or not). But if that system breaks down, then I'll just go back to the way I collected for the first thirty years. There every negotiation involved offers and not bids and could be accepted, declined or countered (ie declined with a new offer.) That way, you only have the buyer and seller involved in the negotiation. Auctions are different category. You compete with other buyers, but both the buyer and seller have already agreed to the sale under the terms of the auction. If a seller wants a minimum, then set that as a minimum bid or set a reserve. Using a shill drives the price up and buyers like me away. The only time I have worked with a seller to bypass an existing bid is when I've spotted an error in the seller's listing, but still want the coin. And it's always to acquire a less rare variety for a reasonable price though eBays buy it now feature. ie It's not an 1804, but it is an 1801 variety I want.[/QUOTE]