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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;krispy, post: 1383083, member: 19065&quot;]No, I contend and support, that a bid in the last second of a live auction, when no manual bidder can see what is happening (the sniper is shooting from a hidden position) </p><p>is a sniped bid. A &#039;lucky&#039; manual bidder means nothing, it is not about luck and reflexes, you are just placing another manual bid nearest to the last second as you think is generally sufficifcent. A sniped bid is not about luck and guessing, it is calculated, like that of a shooter calculating the kill, hence &#039;bid sniping&#039;. Such a bid is not manually delivered. It is fired at a time when a manual bidder cannot operate, a vulnerable period that manual bidders are exposed to &#039;bid sniping&#039; attempts, that is when the sniper moves in for the &quot;kill&quot;.</p><p><br /></p><p>Further, in the last second, should a sniped bid become the higest bid, nothing but another highest sniped bid may defeat the previous sniper. In this space of time, new manual bids do not exist, they are shut out of bidding in this term. Earlier manual bids may be higher, but they are not sniped bids, because they have previously been placed and are registered with the auctioner. As you detailed, it took you the last few minutes to set up a final manual bid that you would then lend to chance to register on time with the auctioner, while time remained on the clock. A sniped bid is placed with no &quot;luck&quot; element needed for reason to successfully register the new bid, on time-- winning or loosing. </p><p><br /></p><p>This is not about winning and loosing, the entire discussion is about what is a &#039;sniped bid&#039;. Some sniped bids win the auction, others do not. But any previously established manual bid registered with the auctioner while the auction is live is manual bidding, not sniping. A sniped bid is prepared with a third party service, not registered with the auctioner. The auctioner does not know this bid yet exists, but allows for it to be received based on the element of time when placed, buy allowing an automated system to &#039;bid snipe&#039; as opposed to a human using hands and keys/mouse to step-by-step through the bidding confirmantion process. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I never said anything about sniping programs <i>reacting</i> to anything. They are hands free predetermined NEW bids that arrive in the interval of time in which manual bidding cannot be done. Therefore manual bidding, no matter how many seconds or minutes you dragged that last bid out sitting at the ready to click &#039;confirm&#039;, is not bid sniping, it&#039;s just bidding and it registers your bid with the auctioner before sniped bids are in-coming.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Humans are inconsistent, no two react alike, which is why machines beat manual bidders all the time and are required to check when an athlete (for instance) crosses the finish line when two or more competitors are too close to detect by humans. But, bid snipers who employ bid sniping automated services have high rates of successfully placing last second bids compared to manual bids attempted prior to the last second, and can improve the odds of placing a high bid to win an auction by exploiting the breif interval of time when a manual bidder cannot reasonably bid.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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