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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;krispy, post: 1383033, member: 19065&quot;]What you are proposing is a difference of<i> time frame </i>from what I&nbsp; have been arguing. You have placed <u>minutes</u> in your scenario where I have used highest bids newly placed in last&nbsp; second by automated service. Your scenario is manual bidding, not sniping. All&nbsp; those steps you nicely detailed are exactly what prevents someone from&nbsp; beating the highest bid, when one is newly placed, in the last second of&nbsp; an auction, because the human manual bidder cannot go through those&nbsp; steps again, fast enough to out bid a true &#039;sniped bid&#039;. You have to reckon with the concept that manual bidders are not bid&nbsp; snipers, they are just bidders, even with two seconds. That no snipe bid was placed even though you <i>felt</i> like you waited until two seconds remained to confirm your final bid, doesn&#039;t mean you bid sniped. You simply bid manually.</p><p><br /></p><p>Changing the time frame, elongating it as you&nbsp; have, still only allows you to bid in a normal response time, manually. The final second&nbsp; is not within human manual capable response time. </p><p><br /></p><p>My argument remains in tact and you have yet to disprove me wrong here. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>Luck</i> is not an indicator that your hypothetical win disproves me. There are other factors as I have mentioned previously. You are a &#039;manual bidder&#039; in your scenario, and one who happened to have the highest bid. It was the highest bid to any bid snipe attempts that were made in that time when you could not again respond if your last second confirmation were met with outbid notice due to a true &#039;bid snipe&#039; having simultaneously been placed with your confirmation and if you did win, it was that your manual bid was set higher than the last earlier manual bid and NO &#039;bid snipes&#039; were placed in the final second. It does not conclude that you are a &#039;bid sniper&#039; for having taken manual steps to the last (chanced) second. Bid snipes leave nothing to chance but a higher bid placed by another bid sniper or earlier manual bidder.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I have used bid sniping services and have never had a bid snipe fail to be placed before the auction ends. Certainly I have lost auctions to higher bidders, be they manual bidders who placed higher bids before my sniped bid or other bid snipers who outbid me in the last second. My bids have never failed to be delivered, even when less than 6 seconds have been entered. </p><p><br /></p><p>While I have been an active member of eBay since 1/23/1998, since you somehow feel length of membership on eBay matters in this debate, I have had extensive use and success applying bid sniping software to my experiences with online auctions at this venue. Occasionally I have lost to higher bidders. Some were bid snipers and some where higher manual bidders, but no manual bids beat the last newly placed highest sniped bids, ever.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>We are talking about humans here who believe they can manually outperform an automated bid anc consider themselves &#039;bid snipe&#039;. They are not. They are manual bidders, particularly underscored by the digital era where servers and systems operate faster than can humans react when outbid in too short of a time frame. Until you acknowledge the scenario, you can spin your wheels all you want with hypothetical situations crafted to cloak you failed evidence. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>&#039;Bid sniping&#039; in the context as you seem to be thinking of it on eBay does not include manual bidders no matter how they want to string this out to the last possible human moment to confirm their manually placed bid. Bid sniping on eBay refers to the use of placing a bid via an automated function, in a time frame when humans cannot react and outbid the bid sniper(s). It&#039;s a rather black and white definition.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve more than responded with evidence in this thread to argue my point to all in opposition. It&#039;s not what &quot;I&quot; choose it to mean, that is what bid sniping means, particularly in the time frame of eBay and the past 15 years that you are working from experience with. In your evidence, you have only adjusted the scenario to include manual bidding as a form of sniping, which you have not succeeded in changing the term to include, because you have detailed how long it takes you to chance placing a confirmed bid, manually.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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