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Message:: [QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 7851540, member: 105098"]Last time I checkedNGC had 3 P and 4 D in MS68,PCGS had 126 MS67s Ps, and 9 MS68s Ds. NGC don't have the pictures like PCGS has, but if you get a chance take a look at them on PCGS, youd be surprised on the drum. Very few have full drums in the top pops of P or D, and the ones that do have other minor issues that keep them out of grading higher than they do. the drum begin fully struck isn't a requirement for top pop I assume, but its definitely got to be holding them back from grading even higher than they do without it. there's some stunners in both cases of course, weakness in the drum or full drum, but theres MS68s and 67s all the way down to AU missing the ribs of the drum in that location so it was a die issue and as struck and not wear doing it. I'd assume those examples that are top pop were pulled from mint sets also and not circulation which would have been even worse.  those coins with the full drum on PCGS, I say "wow, that's impressive!" every time. Just my observation and experience with it,  both P+D have this weakness from the strike in high frequency like the vast majority. I'm a fan of the bicentennial quarters, not a hoarder or anything like that, it's not all I collect (hahaha). i feel like out there, there's a really clean bicentennial sitting in a mint set somewhere in the dark, with a full drum and just a stunner and possibly a MS69 5 figure coin, just waiting to be found.[/QUOTE]