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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 2130258, member: 15309&quot;]PCGS and NGC are 29 &amp; 28 years old respectively, so I rounded up.&nbsp; They are not my catalogs, and it&#039;s called hyperbole.&nbsp; The point of bringing up the age of the catalog was to criticize the quality of the photographs.&nbsp; But since you brought up the subject of twisting facts, how do we know that you are not cherry picking your auction catalogs and showing only coins that support your argument.&nbsp; How many untoned coins are contained in those catalogs?&nbsp; Furthermore, why even use a paper catalog as a reference in the first place?&nbsp; Heritage has every auction for the last 15 years archived on their website.&nbsp; Why don&#039;t you pick an old Heritage auction so we can all see what you are seeing rather than trusting that your are being objective in your presentation of an old auction catalog that only you have access to?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That is simply not true.&nbsp; Now you are just parroting one of Doug&#039;s famous imaginations that he passes off as numismatic gospel on this forum.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That&#039;s hilarious, you are calling me dense.&nbsp; I&#039;m not the one who can&#039;t differentiate between toned and rainbow toned despite several lessons on the subject.&nbsp; I&#039;m not the one who doesn&#039;t understand that toning has very little effect on price of ultra rare coins.&nbsp; I&#039;m not the one who doesn&#039;t understand the difference in toning patterns and appearance between proofs and mint state coins.&nbsp; You are a complete novice with regards to the subject of toning, but you want everyone to believe your misguided opinion because you own a few catalogs.</p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps you missed the photo of my Heritage auction catalogs.&nbsp; The true rarities usually get oversized photographs and lengthy descriptions and often an entire page all their own.&nbsp; For coins that are not key rarities in the auction, they usually choose conditional rarities and coins with exceptional eye appeal to photograph.&nbsp; They don&#039;t just select the most expensive coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>You showed the plates, and I was not at all impressed with the toning on those coins.&nbsp; Some had attractive toning, most I would consider the toning neutral with respect to eye appeal.&nbsp; So yes, I would also INFER that the entire auction catalog is full of toned coins with toning that is neutral with respect to eye appeal. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You are trying to claim that rainbow toned coins are common by posting photos of coins that have toning patterns that do not command price premiums because they are toned, not rainbow toned.&nbsp; I can&#039;t even judge your objectivity on the subject because you have not even shown a basic understanding of what the entire discussion is about.&nbsp; The passage about the light and view angle was in an effort to teach you about the difference in appearance of toning on proof coins and mint state coins.&nbsp; By your own admission, you have no idea what I am talking about despite the fact that I gave you very clear examples.</p><p><br /></p><p>We are talking about coins that are rainbow toned and carry significant premiums over the price guide value of an untoned coins.&nbsp; It is these coins that are the target of the coin doctors.&nbsp; We are talking about coins like this one:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/silver-and-related-dollars/1883-1-ms64-pcgs-pcgs-population-6857-4230-ngc-census-7328-4270-mintage-12-291-039-numismedia-wsl-price-for-ngc/a/1124-8754.s" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/silver-and-related-dollars/1883-1-ms64-pcgs-pcgs-population-6857-4230-ngc-census-7328-4270-mintage-12-291-039-numismedia-wsl-price-for-ngc/a/1124-8754.s" rel="nofollow">1883 $1 MS64 PCGS $517.50 (Price Guide $55)</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B4%2F6%2F2%2F5%2F4625358%5D%2Csizedata%5B450x2000%5D&amp;call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>We are not talking about coins like this:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coins.ha.com/itm/barber-quarters/quarters-and-twenty-cents/1904-25c-pr67-cameo-pcgs/a/1124-517.s" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/itm/barber-quarters/quarters-and-twenty-cents/1904-25c-pr67-cameo-pcgs/a/1124-517.s" rel="nofollow">1904 25C PR67 Cameo PCGS $7475 (Price Guide $7500)</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B4%2F6%2F3%2F9%2F4639963%5D%2Csizedata%5B450x2000%5D&amp;call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I chose the Morgan Dollar from the exact same auction as the Proof Barber Quarter that I selected earlier.&nbsp; Both coins were photographed at the same time using the same technique.&nbsp; You can&#039;t see any color on the slab photo of the Barber Quarter.&nbsp; &nbsp; And while the slab photo of the Morgan Dollar does not do the rainbow toning justice, can you see the color?&nbsp; This is my last attempt to get you to understand the difference in appearance of toned proofs versus toned mint state coins and why lighting and view angle is important.</p><p><br /></p><p>Can you see that the price realized is almost 10X that of the price guide for the Morgan Dollar?&nbsp; Btw, ask me how many pages I had to scroll through before I found a suitable rainbow toned example to show you?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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