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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 2130033, member: 15309&quot;]I don&#039;t have a strict definition of rainbow toning, as Chiefbullsit tried to point out earlier in this thread, and the apples to oranges accusation still applies to the coins that you are showing.&nbsp; I have stated the reasons previously, but you seem to want to ignore them.&nbsp; First, you are showing ultra rarities with some measure of toning.&nbsp; If you removed most of the toning patterns and color schemes from those coins and placed them on Morgan Dollars, you would not end up with a significant price premium.&nbsp; In addition, you are showing mostly proof coins which tend to tone differently than mint state coins, thus apples to oranges.&nbsp; You can&#039;t compare the toning on a high grade proof Barber to that on a Morgan Dollar, you just can&#039;t do it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Regarding toned proofs, the color is very elusive, both in hand and in photographs.&nbsp; In the photographs, the toning looks impressive, but in order to capture that toning, you need to view the coin at a certain angle with correct lighting conditions.&nbsp; If you go back and research some of Doug&#039;s old posts, he will corroborate exactly what I am saying, though he thinks that it happens with all toned coins.&nbsp; I will tell you that the range of angles you can easily view most mint state toning is far greater than the range for proof toned coins.&nbsp; Here is an example of what I am talking about.&nbsp; This is one of the most vibrantly toned Jefferson Nickel proofs I have ever seen.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Jefferson%20Nickels%20Misc/JN%201964%20NGC%20PF67%20Obvdiffused_zpsv6m84acn.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>But those colors only pop like that when the coin is viewed under a bright light source at a very small range of angles.&nbsp; In order to capture that color in a photograph, it was necessary to flood the surface of the coin with diffused lighting.&nbsp; If you view that same coin under direct lighting conditions, the same lighting conditions I use to photograph all of my mint state toners, the appearance of the coin changes drastically.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Jefferson%20Nickels%20Misc/JN%201964%20NGC%20PF67%20Obv_zpsnfj32nhd.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now you can still see hints of color, but it is nowhere near as dramatic as the first photograph.&nbsp; This is what the catalogs are talking about when they refer to iridescent toning on a proof coin.&nbsp; For the most part, it has the appearance of most proof coins, black and mirrored.&nbsp; I hope this helps explain why you can&#039;t compare toning on proofs to toning on mint state coins.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>While you may think that my definition of rainbow toning is strict, you will find that most people who collect rainbow toned coins have a similar view.&nbsp; You are looking at 30 year old catalogs of some toned ultra rarities with amazing pedigrees and are using those coins as examples of coins that drive a premium based on eye appeal.&nbsp; IMO, you are simply enamored with the magnitude of these coins and are severely over emphasizing the actual beauty of the toning on these coins.&nbsp; I&#039;m not saying the coins are not beautiful, I&#039;m saying that most of the beauty comes from the level of overall preservation in combination with the rarity and pedigrees, and not from the toning.</p><p><br /></p><p>Again, those are not the types of coins that we are discussing in this thread.&nbsp; We are talking about common coins that when combined with dramatic rainbow toning, become uncommon coins with a huge price premium associated with the toning, and are targets for coin doctors looking to cash in.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Nobody is going to attempt to artificially tone a 1904 Barber Quarter PR67 CAMEO.&nbsp; It is a $3K + coin and messing with it could significantly reduce the value.&nbsp; Btw, I had to go to the Heritage archives to check the price.&nbsp; How many of these 1904 Barber Quarters in PR67 CAMEO have dramatic toning?</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Screen%20shot%202015-04-15%20at%204.05.17%20PM_zps5ek6msb7.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>And if we look closely at the one that you would say has beautiful rainbow toning, first we see the &quot;beauty shot&quot; as Heritage calls it.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://dyn2.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B4%2F6%2F5%2F2%2F4652339%5D%2Csizedata%5B450x2000%5D&amp;call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Then they show you the slab photo, what it really looks like!</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B4%2F6%2F3%2F9%2F4639963%5D%2Csizedata%5B450x2000%5D&amp;call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Do you really want to call that coin rainbow toned?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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